Things in Egypt about to heat up again. (Revolution part 2)

[hey]

he's speaking now:

http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/ (link has a translator)

Legitimacy.

[Drex]

While i hate religious conservatives, military dictating that it can dissolve governments makes me uneasy.

not to mention the implications for the future of democracy in the middle east if the military keeps just overthrowing elected leaders they don't like

[ringthree]

not to mention the implications for the future of democracy in the middle east if the military keeps just overthrowing elected leaders they don't like

Oh yeah, because there is a lot of potential for that.

[Waraji]

From my armchair, it hasn't occurred to me that the military give a shit about the elected/dictator until the people start protesting in such quantities. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[kuronosan]

Well, you're Waraji so that won't work.

[Waraji]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...uturamafry.jpg

[kuronosan]

[Anoat]

ABC News is running with the headline MILITARY COUP UNDERWAY but I haven't seen anything else reporting as such. http://liveblog.abcnews.go.com/Event..._in_48_Hours_2

[Correction]

Reuters live stream.

Guardian social media liveblog.

Tanks on the streets according to reports.
http://i.minus.com/ibg4zlo5BKRxNn.jpg
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Source

[ringthree]

Morsi's people are saying it's a coup. I mean, it's probably a coup at this point, but Morsi's people were trying to make it out as so bloody violent overthrow, but it looks like 4th of July more than anything else.

[kuronosan]

Morsi's people are saying it's a coup. I mean, it's probably a coup at this point, but Morsi's people were trying to make it out as so bloody violent overthrow, but it looks like 4th of July more than anything else.

Ha ha

[Correction]

Morsi's people are saying it's a coup. I mean, it's probably a coup at this point, but Morsi's people were trying to make it out as so bloody violent overthrow, but it looks like 4th of July more than anything else.

The military is flexing its muscles all over a civilian administration. It's a coup.

[ringthree]

The military is flexing its muscles all over a civilian administration. It's a coup.

Didn't say it wasn't a coup. I said it wasn't a bloody overthrow.

Not all coups are bad. At this point, this one is a lot less bad than most.

[Kuya]

jury's still out on whether this is a good coup or bad.

[ronin sparthos]

jury's still out on whether this is a good coup or bad.

Is it preferable to a civil war? We'll see.

[Correction]

WELP.

Egypt 11 minutes ago
Gehad ElHaddad, a spokesperson for the Muslim Brotherhood and senior adviser to Freedom & Justice Party, has told Al Jazeera that 'a full military coup is underway.'

Haddad said 'tanks are on the move around the outskirts of Cairo' and that 'some high ranking members of the Brotherhood have been arrested.'

Haddad told Al Jazeera and that communication with President Morsi has been cut off so he cannot confirm or deny if he was moved from the Republican Guard HQ.

[Andalusian girls]

it could potentially usher in a civil war (though i do not think it likely and do not believe Egypt was heading towards one prior to this), Islamists tend not to react well when they feel the reigns of power slipping away

but there is a more important fundamental principle at stake and that is civilian control over the military, a vital prerequisite of any successful democracy in history

[ringthree]

it could potentially usher in a civil war (though i do not think it likely and do not believe Egypt was heading towards one prior to this), Islamists tend not to react well when they feel the reigns of power slipping away

but there is a more important fundamental principle at stake and that is civilian control over the military, a vital prerequisite of any successful democracy in history

Ok, well, there was never any real civilian control over the military in Egypt. The SCAF basically ran things before the elections and have obviously maintained their independence since then. And honestly, civilian control over the military in Egypt at this point would probably be fucking horrible.

[Ksandra]

And honestly, civilian control over the military in Egypt at this point would probably be fucking horrible.

I actually agree.

Honestly, my view on this whole situation is there is no winning. The people know what they want but don't have the understanding that it is almost impossible to get. Egypt has no money, it really has little ways in generating money without having money in the first place (ie. they really need to fix up their tourism which could generate a lot, but would cost a lot to fix). In this respect, I pity Morsi. Honestly, no matter who they had in charge, they wouldn't have been able to do much to fix Egypt's situation by now. With that said, while the Egyptian people are gaining knowledge fast through the internet, in many ways they are still children. Most grew up not knowing dick about politics, and just want they were fed from the gov't. I don't think they would know how to handle the military.

[Acevalefor]

Could you imagine what would happen to Egyptian civilians if the Brotherhood had control of the military when these demonstrations started? ringthree is right. Civilian control of the military would not be good right about now. The military stepping in to enforce the will of the people against an administration that refuses to give up power is a good thing. Maybe with a stable and transparently elected government in place they can set up a command structure that includes civilian control. It cannot ever include absolute power for the elected leader though.