German magazine claims US spying on European Union offices

[Kuya]

The United States has bugged European Union offices and gained access to EU internal computer networks, according to secret documents cited in a German magazine, the latest in a series of exposures of alleged US spy programmes.

Der Spiegel quoted from a September 2010 "top secret" US National Security Agency (NSA) document that it said whistleblower Edward Snowden had taken with him, and the magazine's journalists had seen in part.

The document outlines how the NSA bugged offices and spied on EU internal computer networks in Washington and at the United Nations, not only listening to conversations and phone calls, but also gaining access to documents and emails.

The document explicitly called the EU a "target".

The NSA also targeted telecommunications at the Justus Lipsius building in Brussels, home to the European Council, the collective of EU national governments, according to the magazine.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americ...321519491.html

[Tajin]

Yuropeens needs better counter-espionage personnel.

[Plow]

Yuropeens needs better counter-espionage personnel.

why bother when americans can get jobs with the intention of stealing information then go around the world telling everyone that matters all the details of our spy programs, and be cheered on for it by other americans?

[kuronosan]

why bother when americans can get jobs with the intention of stealing information then go around the world telling everyone that matters all the details of our spy programs, and be cheered on for it by other americans?

You baffle me.

[Plow]

You baffle me.

What's to be baffled about?

Sure it's all good to be happy that the information about the NSA spying on Americans got out. (should be pretty pissed at your senators for not telling us years ago, but anyway)


It's quite another to be cheering the guy on as he goes around to the world's top competitors trading masses of information about American cyber security and cyber warfare for protection against facing the consequences.

[Blubbartron]

Or, maybe we could also be pissed at our government for spying on our allies and risking the relationships we've built with them.

[Plow]

Sure, if you're ignorant enough to think they're not doing/trying the same shit with the only difference being that we're winning.

[Gwynplaine]

Every country spies on every other country. It's to be expected.

[Niiro]

Governments have been spying on one another, including their allies (especially they're allies) for as long as there have been governments.

Why do people think things are somehow different today?

Has actual knowledge of history declined as badly as the content of the history channel?

[Sonomaa]

I dont ever really post here but I will say this. The best actors I have ever seen are not american actors they are british theater and stage actors. If we have 1 guy in their deep dark I bet they have 10 in ours.

[Niiro]

If foreign governments use the same casting director as Christopher Nolan we're screwed.

[ronin sparthos]

But how can someone be your friend if you're spying on them????? Maybe it's just me but my family has been using NSA tactics on their relatives as long as I've been pooping my pants. They're just checking up on them when they rummage through the trash and looking out for them when they read the prescriptions in the medicine cabinet.

However, in all seriousness this is only newsworthy because it can be used as ammunition against the NSA and more importantly in painting the image that 'Murica has lost its mind with all this spying, espionage and general police state tactics or conversely that geopolitical spying is exactly why we need to probe BG members when someone says Israel should be wiped off the map.

"Free Snowden!" vs. "Peace and Security in my new Empire."

[Plow]

But how can someone be your friend if you're spying on them????? Maybe it's just me but my family has been using NSA tactics on their relatives as long as I've been pooping my pants. They're just checking up on them when they rummage through the trash and looking out for them when they read the prescriptions in the medicine cabinet.

However, in all seriousness this is only newsworthy because it can be used as ammunition against the NSA and more importantly in painting the image that 'Murica has lost its mind with all this spying, espionage and general police state tactics or conversely that geopolitical spying is exactly why we need to probe BG members when someone says Israel should be wiped off the map.

"Free Snowden!" vs. "Peace and Security in my new Empire."

I blame the 2 party system for convincing Americans that everything in the world is either the best thing ever to happen to mankind or the worst thing in history.

[ronin sparthos]

Thinking in binary isn't something new.

[djzombie]

The "two party system" is actually one party with two puppets.

[Plow]

Thinking in binary isn't something new.

The extent to which it's been refined to "this vs that" is relatively new. Historically most non-dictatorship governments have consisted of a wide variety of political groups competing for influence.

The U.S. is definitely one of the most divisive "a and b are the only options" governments in history.


Which results in people thinking that either you agree with them or you agree with the other side, no matter what the issue, and that if the 2 sides happen to agree on something it's because "both parties are the same trash."

[mightyg]

What's to be baffled about?

Sure it's all good to be happy that the information about the NSA spying on Americans got out. (should be pretty pissed at your senators for not telling us years ago, but anyway)


It's quite another to be cheering the guy on as he goes around to the world's top competitors trading masses of information about American cyber security and cyber warfare for protection against facing the consequences.

You may not realize this because you're too caught up in merica mindset. But Snowden's strategy from the start was to drag this news story out for as long as humanly possible. Because when you give up your entire future to blow the whistle on something. You might as well actually make an impact. You can argue whether or not what he did was justified, but if you think he's doing this just to escape consequences of his actions, you're a moron.

[Plow]

You may not realize this because you're too caught up in merica mindset. But Snowden's strategy from the start was to drag this news story out for as long as humanly possible. Because when you give up your entire future to blow the whistle on something. You might as well actually make an impact. You can argue whether or not what he did was justified, but if you think he's doing this just to escape consequences of his actions, you're a moron.

He's giving anybody in the world that will protect him any and all information he possibly can about American cyber security, under the condition that they protect him from punishment and help him stay away from trial, and you think it's to "drag the story on?"

[Drex]

Or, maybe we could also be pissed at our government for spying on our bitches and risking the relationships we've built with them.

Look, sometimes you gotta check up on a ho. Ain't nothin' wrong with that. Keep the pimp hand strong.

[Kuya]

So i guess the general consensus here is that spying on your allies is fine as long as nobody knows you're doing it.