Wisconsin passes abortion ban

[Abandon]

That's an interesting proposition. I can see the blood donations happening under extreme situations, actually. I don't know if I'd support it or not, I guess I'd have to see what was going on to ask for it.

[Helm]

Thread over. D:

[AidenCarby]

lol

I'm just saying... if that shit was legal back in the 70's and 80's, alot of us probably wouldn't be here.

That's the America I want to live in.

[archibaldcrane]

No, there's tons of variables.

We should definitely be doing everything we can to make pregnancy have as minimal detrimental effect on a woman as we can, though, and that definitely has proven to require steps to reduce the impact on education/work.

But in the meantime, in a scenario where carrying a baby to full term can have significant negative consequences for a woman's life...the 1/10th of an inch long embryo is still more important than the negative consequences that the pregnancy inflicts.

[Plow]

Well I mean if we can save 3 bil people by making the other 3 bil each give a pint of blood, or watch 3 bil people die slow painful deaths, I'm prob gonna be ok with required blood donations.

[Plow]

But in the meantime, in a scenario where carrying a baby to full term can have significant negative consequences for a woman's life...the 1/10th of an inch long embryo is still more important than the negative consequences that the pregnancy inflicts.

In my opinion, almost always, yes. I don't get to make that choice; I'm not asking to make that choice. I'm asking that people that do want to make that choice at least try to make it happen while it's in as immature a state as possible.

[Tagus]

holy shit lol

lemme help

Sorry I'm in a trigger law state, should have been more specific in my FUCKING JOKE!

[Rhinox]

Plow has argued some dumb stuff. This probably is the dumbest thing you've ever argued for.

Definitely above the time he defended a racists Dallas cop.

[archibaldcrane]

I don't think anyone disagrees with the idea that "if you're going to have an abortion, have it as early as possible".

They're more disagreeing with the premise that "if you require someone to get pregnancy tests frequently while sexually active or else lose their right to have an abortion, you will achieve better outcomes".

[Plow]

Plow has argued some dumb stuff. This probably is the dumbest thing you've ever argued for.

Definitely above the time he defended a racists Dallas cop.

I've actually had this basic argument here a few times before, including semi-recently. Just this time I decided to toss something out there that really isn't all that offensive or intrusive (it could be made intrusive depending on how you handled the testing of course) because I was pretty sure it would get the exact same response lines as ridiculous shit like Akin, and it literally did word for word at times lol.

[ringthree]

Well I mean if we can save 3 bil people by making the other 3 bil each give a pint of blood, or watch 3 bil people die slow painful deaths, I'm prob gonna be ok with required blood donations.

"I believe in this completely utilitarian idea, and yet, I am an absolutist when it comes to a collection of cells!"

Logical consistency need not apply. Well, I guess if the consistency is the complete denial of autonomy then you are A-OK.

[Tagus]

Yeah, it's really too bad that RL isn't ffxi and you can't data mine a relatively decent thought process. In all honesty though, is there anyone who has ever tried to get an abortion and not been able to because of the legality?

[Abandon]

Well I mean if we can save 3 bil people by making the other 3 bil each give a pint of blood, or watch 3 bil people die slow painful deaths, I'm prob gonna be ok with required blood donations.

overpopulation, darwinism, etc

[archibaldcrane]

I've actually had this basic argument here a few times before, including semi-recently. Just this time I decided to toss something out there that really isn't all that offensive or intrusive

This just in - the government collecting data on women's pregnancy testing isn't "all that offensive or intrusive".

[archibaldcrane]

In all honesty though, is there anyone who has ever tried to get an abortion and not been able to because of the legality?

You can't do that dude, you can't say something hilariously stupid like your 70's and 80's comment, claim you were joking, and then try to go back-to-back with this one...

[Abandon]

this is bg, people can argue anything

[Melena]

Bleh, this thread was a lot more entertaining when we were explaining how easy it is to know exactly when you got knocked up and how it can't be past 12 weeks unless you are irresponsible.

[Tagus]

I just find it odd that people are so fiercely in favor of abortions. It just seems like a really strange thing to be gung-ho about. In fact of all the people I've known who have had unexpected pregnancies come up in their lives, the ones who have had abortions have actually experienced significant emotional trauma as a result, from nightmares, anxiety, and long-standing depression... while the ones who've went ahead and had the kids, are pretty happy about it years later and love their kids like nothing else. Sorry to bring common sense into a side of the argument that you disagree with and all, but maybe killing the fetus isn't always the best long-term responsible decision. That's a large assumption to make as a blanket statement. It's a pretty permanent and serious thing, and you guys talk about it like it's just a bag of cells, this and that... I'm sure it means alot more to the people involved, even after the fact. Sometimes the easiest solution isn't the best, you know? Blah blah, road less travelled and all that shit.

[Rhinox]

I just find it odd that people are so fiercely in favor of abortions. It just seems like a really strange thing to be gung-ho about. In fact of all the people I've known who have had unexpected pregnancies come up in their lives, the ones who have had abortions have actually experienced significant emotional trauma as a result, from nightmares, anxiety, and long-standing depression... while the ones who've went ahead and had the kids, are pretty happy about it years later and love their kids like nothing else. Sorry to bring common sense into a side of the argument that you disagree with and all, but maybe killing the fetus isn't always the best long-term decision. It's a pretty permanent and serious thing, and you guys talk about it like it's just a bag of cells, this and that... I'm sure it means alot more to the people involved, even after the fact. Sometimes the easiest solution isn't the best, you know? Blah blah, road less travelled and all that shit.

what?


I don't think anyone is in favor of abortions.

They're in favor of reproductive rights.

[kuronosan]

what?


I don't think anyone is in favor of abortions.

They're in favor of reproductive rights.

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