Wisconsin passes abortion ban

[Kuya]

How many abortions could be avoided if women took birth control before sleeping around? There are ways to reduce abortions without banning them. Whats wrong with banning after 12 weeks? If you haven't decided after 3 months then just keep it....

this guy is a libertarian btw

[BaneTheBrawler]

NO ONE LAUGHED AT MY STAR WARS REFERENCE. YOU ARE ALL TERRIBLE PEOPLE.


also this kind of underhanded bullshit goes on all the time in politics. i actually have some family in the Wisconsin legislature (sub-political) and they tell stories about the elected officials trying to get this and that passed under the budget because that's the one job they can't foist off on someone else, even if it has absolutely nothing to do with the budget. Congress does it too; they snuck something awful (I don't recall what) into the last budget bill because the president couldn't veto it.

so yeah. business as usual, don't want to live on this planet anymore, test123 is just bad, etc.

[test123]

I think there is a grey region between birth and fertilization. Close to birth the fetus should be regarded has human with rights. And close to fertilization is should be regarded as just a collection of cells with no rights. Somewhere in between the law has to define it. 12 weeks is my preferance, around the time the heart starts beating and the mother has had 3 months to decide.

[Niiro]

My dog has a heartbeat, is sentient, and is infinitely more intelligent than a 3 month old fetus.

Can she be declared a person?

Spoiler: show

roll eyes now

[test123]

No, a dog is not a person.

[hey]

No, a dog is not a person.

Neither a 12 week old fetus.

[test123]

At what stage between birth and fertilization do you think the fetus should have rights?

[ronin sparthos]

That question has nothing to do with the ultimate aim of these pieces of legislation: To completely ban abortion in its entirety and limit access to contraception to the point where it might as well not exist.

But yes, lets continue to waste time dancing around the edges by foisting some irrelevant responsibility discussion into play.

[Aristio]

No, a dog is not a person.

A fetus isn't a person either. Potential person sure, but it isn't quite there yet.

Edit:

around the time the heart starts beating and the mother has had 3 months to decide.

Women know the exact moment they're pregnant. Women never find out they're pregnant after 3 months. Never.

[Suvhater]

At what stage between birth and fertilization do you think the fetus should have rights?

Once the fetus turns 18 years old it has limited rights, it retains full rights after 21 years of age.

[Aristio]

Once the fetus turns 18 years old it has limited rights, it retains full rights after 21 years of age.

He means the right to live, not the right to vote.

[Correction]

At what stage between birth and fertilization do you think the fetus should have rights?

Oh boy the typical bait question wait I know the answer. "At what stage between fertilization and labor do you think the woman loses her rights?"

Grow the fuck up man.

[Bluefrostie]

There are already laws in the US preventing abortion after a certain trimester. I'm assuming that most of the women who would be having abortions in Wisconsin will be those who have limited means to go to another state. Is the state going to pay for all of these extra ultrasounds? I certainly hope so. Maybe they will also have to help support the children born to these women.

"This bill improves a woman's ability to make an informed choice that will protect her physical and mental health now and in the future," the statement said.

what the fuck is this supposed to mean? if you want women to protect their physical and mental health now and in the future, make contraceptives more readily available and educate.

[kuronosan]

At what stage between birth and fertilization do you think the fetus should have rights?

Why does a developing embryo have more rights than the mother?

[ronin sparthos]

what the fuck is this supposed to mean? if you want women to protect their physical and mental health now and in the future, make contraceptives more readily available and educate.

What it means is we'll guilt-trip you into potentially keeping a baby you don't want. We'll also read you some Bible passages to play on that latent Christianity.

[test123]

Why does a developing embryo have more rights than the mother?

It does not have more rights. There comes a point in time when they both have the right to life. I thought you hipsters were all about Equal rights, I've seen the threads lol.

[BaneTheBrawler]

At what stage between birth and fertilization do you think the fetus should have rights?

When they renounce libertarianism.

[kuronosan]

It does not have more rights. There comes a point in time when they both have the right to life. I thought you hipsters were all about Equal rights, I've seen the threads lol.

1) I'm not a hipster.
2) A bag of cells does not deserve the same rights as a living, breathing adult.

[Tajin]

The right to life ?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


No but seriously, come back with a believable argument.

[test123]

A bag of cells does not deserve the same rights as a living, breathing adult.

Well, an Adult is also a "bag of cells". It just so happens that an adult is able to take care of itself which a fetus/new born can not.

You can't just walk into a premature birth clinic and start slaying all the premature babies there. If a baby is aborted at 25 weeks, whats differance then killing a premature(25 weeks) baby in an incubator?

Here is the Likelihood of Survival statisics for premature births:
23 weeks 17%
24 weeks 39%
25 weeks 50%

If you want to go rambling about being "self-aware" , "self-sustaining" and "sapient" then you start to justify euthanasia. Now you gotta figure out to what degree a person is sapient before you can euthanize it. How about an IQ test? Everyone that scores below 80 gets euthanized. Shall we continue?