Itemization: To shit is situational or to not shit is situational

[Krandor]

Back in the early CoP days (I.e. no one in Sea, kings/sky highest content) I solo tanked Fafhogg multiple times on NIN/WAR wearing hauby, sniper rings, etc.

I.E. full on DPS gear, zero survivability.

So no gear swapping didn't matter if you weren't retarded.

[Spider-Dan]

What you're ignoring, again, is that gear didn't matter to the extent that you're making it out to be. We all had to kill these bosses without that gear at one point and if gear had made such a difference than we never would have done it or it would be for the truly elite of us.

So then, your point is not that gearswapping was unnecessary, but that gear itself is unimportant?

Then what is the point of this thread? If gear was supposedly irrelevant in XI, are you going to argue that it's somehow MORE meaningful in XIV? This is not a "skill vs. gear" argument.

I am now standing on the wall defending the radical idea that gear has an impact. On the Blue Gartr forum. The times, they are a-changin'.

P.S.

Please forgive me if I'm wrong, but based on your join date of Jun 2007, gear swapping was already well established when you started.

You're wrong. 10/28/03

[CasualPlayer]

Yes.

You probably didn't notice because you quit in 2007 while vigorously protesting shihei.

In fact, it almost sounds like you're saying that your 75DRG did not have separate TP and WS gearsets (because it made no difference). Please tell me this is true, as it would say more about your time in XI than every post you've ever made on the topic.

Lawl'd

Lucavi, do you ever open your mind to the possibility that you could be wrong? Not agreeing or disagreeing with Shishi or Deadgye or you for that matter, but you seem to argue rather than debate. If someone disagrees you just start talking shit. You and Elcura are talking about what content "matters". Odin may have been content that "mattered" but that's not the only thing that makes a game fun.

To Elcura making that comment about not knowing what Kreutzet was.....that was a pretty staple NM in FFXI, I would hardly call it a boss that didn't "matter". The fact you'd never even heard of it makes me question how much time you actually spent in the game. Without proper gear a thf was never going to solo it. Soloing an NM for an important thf weapon is a good accomplishment; it made you feel good and it was a challenge. If you had shit gear soloing would be extremely difficult if not impossible so how can you say gear was meaningless on anything that mattered? The point is that what content actually matters is relative to the player. Are you two so arrogant to even acknowledge that? There are so many "just situational" moments where gear means everything in FFXI there isn't enough paper to write a full list. Get your head out of your asses.

To the OP, at the end of the day, there is no point in debating gear at this point since the game is far from finished. Not even talking about beta, but right now ARR would be comparable to FFXI pre Zilart. Once we actually see what the devs do with gear 6mon-1yr from now then let the bitching begin. As for now, I personally don't see the current gear itemization as a problem. The game doesn't allow gear swapping so having a million side-grade pieces for every stat and ability would be meaningless.

[CasualPlayer]

Back in the early CoP days (I.e. no one in Sea, kings/sky highest content) I solo tanked Fafhogg multiple times on NIN/WAR wearing hauby, sniper rings, etc.

I.E. full on DPS gear, zero survivability.

So no gear swapping didn't matter if you weren't retarded.

This isn't remotely believable.

[Okan]

To the OP, at the end of the day, there is no point in debating gear at this point since the game is far from finished. Not even talking about beta, but right now ARR would be comparable to FFXI pre Zilart. Once we actually see what the devs do with gear 6mon-1yr from now then let the bitching begin. As for now, I personally don't see the current gear itemization as a problem. The game doesn't allow gear swapping so having a million side-grade pieces for every stat and ability would be meaningless.

A few of us tried that approach. They'll just say something about how 1.0 was left alone, but completely forget the fact that that producer at that time ignored anyone not Japanese (and for the record, he ignored even the Japanese feedback that told him the game was bad). Yoshida has listened to the players, answered things as to why things are or are not the way they are (Limit breaks for example).

I am now standing on the wall defending the radical idea that gear has an impact. On the Blue Gartr forum. The times, they are a-changin'.

What? Seriously, you have a serious comprehension issue. We ALL have stated gear had an impact. What you're not grasping is that we did not NEED that gear to clear that content. Nor would we have had to swap gear. Having progressed in the series of gear made prior content easier. I said that already. What I'm saying is that it didn't matter to clear it to begin with. Just as was stated. It made a 2 hour Leviathan spam on Fafnir take 10 minutes because we can fluff a little more.

This isn't remotely believable.

Of course it is. It's exactly like I stated -- teammates. Maybe he required a few extra heals. Maybe they used the Aerial Armor strategy for terrorize. I don't know, I wasn't there, but I won't doubt the man because I know it's possible as I have done it before. We AA'd when our NIN was terrored. We had our SMNs, BRDs, and RDMs toss a few extra cure IIs to keep him topped off. We won with a solo NIN tank.

[Krandor]

This isn't remotely believable.

Sorry your linkshell was bad? Ignoring completely broken/ridiculous content, I.e. AV until well after the fact, FFXI was never a hard game. And as people were pointing out earlier, utsusemi broke the game wide open, especially back in those days.

And tbh, up until ToAU dropped, gear didn't really didn't matter. I saw plenty of full AF1 players handle level 75 content, including Tiamat and the like. What was supposed to be hard. Gearing up made the content easier, but it was definitely never required at that point.

[Spider-Dan]

Sorry your linkshell was bad? Ignoring completely broken/ridiculous content, I.e. AV until well after the fact, FFXI was never a hard game. And as people were pointing out earlier, utsusemi broke the game wide open, especially back in those days.

You're citing utsusemi as a game-breaking factor in a fight... against Fafhogg? Hmmm.

[Lucavi]

Lucavi, do you ever open your mind to the possibility that you could be wrong?

Certainly, but not to you; never to you: he who was wrong in every thread related to 1.0 and knows it.

Every prediction, every foolish statement about the game: dead wrong.

[CasualPlayer]

Certainly, but not to you; never to you: he who was wrong in every thread related to 1.0 and knows it.

Glad to see you immediately went the talking shit route. Cheers~

[Karbuncle]

it definitely became more required in the later years of FFXI, Legion, Delve, heck even skirmish and meebles... If your ass ain't got the gear you're failing so hardcore it'll make you feel like you entered as a level 1 mule. But in the earlier years? Yah, I guess so for some content... though I just can't quite imagine a LS of Full AF1's taking down Odin back at ToAU prime, just not within my spectrum of belief when it comes to FFXI . Gear mattered, Just to a certain extent, and it matters waaaaaaaaaaaay more now.

[Spider-Dan]

What? Seriously, you have a serious comprehension issue. We ALL have stated gear had an impact. What you're not grasping is that we did not NEED that gear to clear that content. Nor would we have had to swap gear.

If gear had an impact, and gearswapping had an impact, then was gearswapping meaningless?

Gearswapping was irrelevant in XI? This thread will definitely come in handy later.

[Krandor]

You're citing utsusemi as a game-breaking factor in a fight... against Fafhogg? Hmmm.

DPS gear = don't want to get hit
Utsu = won't get hit

Not hard.

[Spider-Dan]

Certainly, but not to you; never to you: he who was wrong in every thread related to 1.0 and knows it.

Every prediction, every foolish statement about the game: dead wrong.

You should probably calm down with the "that guy knows nothing about 1.0!" talk, Mr. I-played-for-almost-three-weeks.

[Okan]

If gear had an impact, and gearswapping had an impact, then was gearswapping meaningless?

Gearswapping was irrelevant in XI? This thread will definitely come in handy later.

Holy shit, what's your primary language? I have friends that speak German, French, Italian, and Spanish. Maybe I'll have them translate it to you can understand.

[Lucavi]

Glad to see you immediately went the talking shit route. Cheers~

You mean the factual route? This is fucking BG. Boohoo if your eyes want to water for having the truth thrown at you.

@Dan: I don't know if that's an insult or what, considering that playing a game that was rated that poorly for 2 months isn't exactly a badge of shame.

[CasualPlayer]

Sorry your linkshell was bad? Ignoring completely broken/ridiculous content, I.e. AV until well after the fact, FFXI was never a hard game. And as people were pointing out earlier, utsusemi broke the game wide open, especially back in those days.

And tbh, up until ToAU dropped, gear didn't really didn't matter. I saw plenty of full AF1 players handle level 75 content, including Tiamat and the like. What was supposed to be hard. Gearing up made the content easier, but it was definitely never required at that point.

I don't believe you didn't solo tank because of the "extra heals" or the SMN's spamming AA on you, hell any melee could tank with enough heals and support. I believe you didn't solo tank because a nin/war in a fucking nq haub and sniper rings who doesn't gear swap isn't keeping shadows up, isn't keeping damage up and isn't keeping Fafhogg still. Maybe what you really meant to talk about was post Abyssea or something when the level cap was raised to 99.

[Spider-Dan]

DPS gear = don't want to get hit
Utsu = won't get hit

Not hard.

I mean, my LS didn't do kings, but Hurricane Wing and terror makes NIN "tank" (to say nothing of DD NIN/WAR) pretty pointless.

Not going to straight up call BS because I didn't give a damn about botted king drama, but "I tanked Nidhogg in 2004 in DD gear on NIN/WAR" is... probably an accomplishment. And if you were somehow improbably not gearswapping, then your party members were definitely, absolutely swapping gear.

[Okan]

I mean, my LS didn't do kings, but Hurricane Wing makes NIN "tank" (to say nothing of DD NIN/WAR) pretty pointless.
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I now realize how useless this discussion has been and why you don't grasp it. You have no idea how end game worked.

[Krandor]

I don't believe you didn't solo tank because of the "extra heals" or the SMN's spamming AA on you, hell any melee could tank with enough heals and support. I believe you didn't solo tank because a nin/war in a fucking nq haub and sniper rings who doesn't gear swap isn't keeping shadows up, isn't keeping damage up and isn't keeping Fafhogg still. Maybe what you really meant to talk about was post Abyssea or something when the level cap was raised to 99.

I quit during the middle of TOAU for a couple years, so nope.

[Spider-Dan]

I don't know if that's an insult or what, considering that playing a game that was rated that poorly for 2 months isn't exactly a badge of shame.

To put it another way: for you to tell someone else that they were completely wrong about 1.0 is kind of silly when you don't know a damn thing about the game.