Mog Gardens Information

[Sechs]

What's the current max rank of MG things?
My garden is still at rank 4, it's insane how long it takes compared to the other things. Been having the rest at rank 5 for over a month now

What are the new MG quests for? (there's 2 I seem to get?)

[Malithar]

Max rank is 5. Best bet for Furrows is to spam Revival Tree Roots, 1 hour harvest time. Set your assistants to harvest more and use Garden Worms for +50% yield, since you rank up based on the number of items you harvest.

Only 1 new MG quest. Other than showing your Moogles insane side, you get a Hoe that seems to have no benefit in the MG. Though I'm kinda hopeful maybe it's got a hidden +yield quantity, I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary when I harvested today. Oh, and the Hoe is an all jobs Scythe, if you're still missing the Ark Angel one.

[Sechs]

Oh nice for the hoe!
I know about the Revival Tree Roots, but I managed to use it only a couple of times.
Realistically I don't have time to check MG multiple times a day, too many things to do and too little time, and honestly I'm not even sure I'd want to if I could.
MG is a huge, worthless, annoying timesink.
I never bothered with assistants. I checked once how to unlock them and the quest seemed so annoying I just forgot about it lol. Think I still have some of the required Ex items, but you needed 30 or something?
Never bothered with fertilizers either, other than the ones I got from the MG quests. Wouldn't even know where to buy/how to get.
Now if the Green Thumb Moogle sold them it would be a different story.


Someone may ask "why do you even bother with MG if you hate it so much?"
And the answer would be "I don't know".
I guess I had hopes for the thing? Or I'm a completitionist and want max rank? Yes that's it I guess. Makes sense since actually I stopped bothering to use the various resources once I reached Rank5, so probably my real goal was just to get max rank.
And from this point of view yes, I find furrow to be annoyingly unbalanced. Over 1 month since I reached rank4 I think, and still no rank5.

[Kyreth]

I got date and gnatbane from arborfruit/arborscent respectively.

Foret harvesting as well for gnatbane. I got a creel 1/1 with a dragoneye to boot. Yay, free week of work from Mithra kitten.

1/3 for creel with super baitball

Also note meotorite isn't rare anymore!

No shit, I ended up with over a stack of glass fiber today. Prism powder, {You can have this.}

[Kyreth]

Oh nice for the hoe!
I know about the Revival Tree Roots, but I managed to use it only a couple of times.
Realistically I don't have time to check MG multiple times a day, too many things to do and too little time, and honestly I'm not even sure I'd want to if I could.
MG is a huge, worthless, annoying timesink.
I never bothered with assistants. I checked once how to unlock them and the quest seemed so annoying I just forgot about it lol. Think I still have some of the required Ex items, but you needed 30 or something?
Never bothered with fertilizers either, other than the ones I got from the MG quests. Wouldn't even know where to buy/how to get.
Now if the Green Thumb Moogle sold them it would be a different story.

So in other words, you have no idea what you're doing, therefore it sucks? Moogle does sell fertilizers for stars, Inventor's (you know, the guys who make the fertilzers for the town gardens?) sells them for bayld. Cake.
One special item per assistant to unlock them and then it's just Gil, 10k/week. Use special item, gather once, get item to unlock assistant, trade to Moogle. The brain, it wobbles with the sheer difficulty.
And all I do is check it once a day, snag some easy money (mining + assistant = tons of 1-4k items), harvest what I might need for a little crafting, and go on my way. It's the anti-rush content. Casual but steady gardening w/assistants got me rank 5- mostly once-a-day harvesting. Since assistants can = more items gathered, they also boost the rate you level up the garden...and you can have two of them helping at the same time on gardens (or 1 fishing, 1 gardening, or 2 fishing- the Meeble can either do logging or mining). Gardens seem to be slower to compensate for this.

[Sechs]

So in other words, you have no idea what you're doing, therefore it sucks?

Aahaha!
Well, yes it's embarassing but that's one way to sum it up I guess xD

And only 1 item to unlock assistant? I think I have many of them! Only 2 different types. Where the hell did I read you needed 30 to unlock?!


I never hid my ignorance on the system, but it seems very very very convoluted and unnecessarily complex. As a mean for comparison, did you try the Farm thing in WoW? It's sorta the same extent but much more straightforward, easy to understand and you have a much bigger control over what you do and what you get. Randomness is almost nonexistant.
It's not a system without depth, before someone comes and says that.

Not trying to praise WoW or bash FFXI or anything, I just wanted to compare two similar things to support my sentence about convoluteness of the FFXI version.
I could say the same thing about FFXI's achievements system, probably.

[dasva]

The mog garden isn't really that complicated. Maybe a cave man couldn't do it but anyone else shouldn't have trouble even if they don't read up

[Malithar]

And only 1 item to unlock assistant? I think I have many of them! Only 2 different types. Where the hell did I read you needed 30 to unlock?!

You're more than likely mixing it up with the Monstrosity species items.

Doubt you're just sitting on a bunch of assistant items, as you're only able to recieve them when using a Super Bait Ball on the pond (mithra), Coalition Serum on the veins (meeble), and whatever the high tier salt water bait is, Coalition Chum? I forget, it's for the rat though.

As for the complexity of MG, tbh, it's in your head. The only thing I'd remotely agree with is the complexity of the Furrows, and it's not so much that it's complex, there's just a lot of options, and tracking all of the different options would be rather difficult since most plants seem to have common and rare yields. I stopped playing WoW before Cata hit, no idea how it's farm thing is set up, don't really care. This one really couldn't be any easier right now. Hardest part is creating enough inventory space so you're not having to make an NPC run to the Moogle after every few whacks of a node.

[Kyreth]

Aahaha!
Well, yes it's embarassing but that's one way to sum it up I guess xD

And only 1 item to unlock assistant? I think I have many of them! Only 2 different types. Where the hell did I read you needed 30 to unlock?!

As noted before it sounds VERY much like Monstrosity is what you've got items for there. And it really is simple. All it takes to upgrade a resource is gathering from it enough, then snagging the KI for bayld from the lady who's right across from the Pioneer's (near the homepoint crystal). The assistants are https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Mog_Garden#Recruiting, and as you level up, the new gathering points are a specific "pool" of items. For example, I've the current maximum level on my mineral veins (OK, all of my resources there now)- and that gives me three points I can mine from. Each has it's own "drop pool", and more specifically each point in turn has three spots on it that have their own mini-pool, which means I can generally pick #1/#2/#3, target it, and know on a short list what I'll end up from mining it. I generally don't go beyond "pick a number and mine it", but if I was really targeting something, I could zone out and give the point a chance to shift positions when I zoned back in. #3 vein has HQ Scorp/Crab, Ram Horns, darksteel (ore and nuggets), adman, some of the more exotic ores (Phyrgian/Fool's Gold/Swamp/Aht Urghan Brass), meteorites, dragon bones/talons, ram horns, and the occasional clunker of a sheep tooth/bat fang.

If I wanted, say mithril ore, I'd work over #2 instead. While you can't be super precise, I definitely know what my "harvest" is going to fall under simply by picking a specific node. Assistants can refine this, simply increase the random yield in quantity or narrow down the RNG to a smaller "harvest" pool, as can items (purchasable with stars or bayld).

I never hid my ignorance on the system, but it seems very very very convoluted and unnecessarily complex. As a mean for comparison, did you try the Farm thing in WoW? It's sorta the same extent but much more straightforward, easy to understand and you have a much bigger control over what you do and what you get. Randomness is almost nonexistant.
It's not a system without depth, before someone comes and says that.

FFXI's is more random, but less than you might think- especially since assistants can narrow a "drop pool" that's already divvied up between parts of a grove/vein. Compared to, say oldschool gardening Mog Garden stuff is elementary school. I can go in every day and know what is coming out, with a certain amount of variation on quantity.

[Sechs]

Are you guys sure you can obtain the gnatbane from Arborscent tree/seed? I passed the 5th harvest, now with 2 NPCs and I even used fertilizer once, but still no trace of Gnatbane

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah, I'm sure:

[14:28:00]Your arborscent seed has matured!
[14:28:00]You also conclude that the seed you planted should sprout about 2 more times.
[14:28:03]Obtained: Lightning crystal.
[14:28:03](2*) Obtained: Wijnruit.
[14:28:03]Obtained: Branch of gnatbane.
[14:28:03]Obtained: Arborscent seed.
[14:28:08]Obtained: Wind crystal.

[06:17:25]Your arborscent seed has matured!
[06:17:25]You also conclude that the seed you planted should sprout about 2 more times.
[06:17:28]Obtained: Deathball.
[06:17:28]Obtained: Handful of bay leaves.
[06:17:28]Obtained: Wijnruit.
[06:17:28]Obtained: Branch of gnatbane.
[06:17:28]Obtained: Arborscent seed.
[06:17:34]Obtained: Little worm.

[17:20:51]This furrow is rank 4 and has an arborscent seed planted, but is devoid of fertilizer.
[17:20:52]Your arborscent seed has matured!
[17:20:54]Obtained: Wijnruit.
[17:20:54]Obtained: Earth crystal.
[17:20:54]Obtained: Lightning crystal.
[17:20:55]Obtained: Branch of gnatbane.
[17:20:55](2*) Obtained: Arborscent seed.
[17:21:01]Obtained: Lightning crystal.

That was 3 sprigs out of 90 harvests, though.

[Ophannus]

What do the 15 Star items do? The Coalition Serum and Coalition Fertilizer?

[dasva]

Are you guys sure you can obtain the gnatbane from Arborscent tree/seed? I passed the 5th harvest, now with 2 NPCs and I even used fertilizer once, but still no trace of Gnatbane

I was getting about 1/3ish no fertlizer though. Had the rat on look for cool things though

[Sechs]

I have rat for quantity and mithra for quality on the furrows.
Did 5 reaps so far, x 2, so 10 total.
One was fertilized.

Oh well, I'll keep trying I guess =/
Strange because I got a lot of dates and went 1/2 with the pond.

[dasva]

Mithra doesn't do quality she does seeds. That might be hindering you

[Malithar]

What do the 15 Star items do? The Coalition Serum and Coalition Fertilizer?

Assumed to be similar to the other Coalition fertilizers and Super Bait Balls, we just don't have those assistants available yet. In the meantime, they seem to give you lots of drops, but I haven't used them enough to see if there's any sort of pattern or specific pool they add. Can buy them for Bayld from the Inventors as well, rather than waste the stars.

Last assistant they mentioned was the young qiqirn. Am I remembering wrong or did they say he'd work on Furrows and Grove?

[Ophannus]

Mined all 3 Veins over 70x and no Wootz ore, didnt someone say you can get wootz from it? Need it for the new coalition assignments

[dasva]

I know I've been getting it from the garden as I haven't been farming anywhere else just can't remember where. Might be the saplings I plant but doubt that either way it's not common considering I've only gotten 1 since the update between 3 characters

[Hitou]

It's possible you can get them from cactus stems since you can get other ores from them, but I donno. I haven't seen one from that or saplings as far as I can recall. I think it's just rare from the Vein. There's always dynamis-bastok/beau if you don't wanna pay a few k for them on the AH.

[Mikkel]

I *think* I've gotten wootz from planting tree cuttings. I've gotten several from my MG and all have come from my furrows. . . just having trouble remembering what i had planted.