EVO 2014: Euro will never Top 8

[Chun Liroy]

Jump back options mean shit for footsie game and usually require you to be right next to your opponent to work.

That, and almost every character has a decent jump back option

I think Bison's st. HK is better than Vega's then. Guy has access to a pretty solid AA with meter. Abel's AA throw and cr. Hp are bad? I legit don't know, I assumed his AA grab was decent outside of combos. Makoto's DP is good, at least her ex, better than Vega's ground options, and leads to combos in the corner, iirc. I think her cr. MK I believe is also decent. I also thought Yang's LK DP was supposed to be a good AA? Maybe not invincibilty wise, but hitbox/hurtbox wise. Of course, this is all ground based stuff i'm referring to.

[Callisto]

Guy's cr mp is good for lowering hit box but it doesn't cover crossups and far jump attacks at all. Guy and Abel easily have the worst AA game followed by Makoto

Abel I agree on for sure, his AA grab is absolutely useless and all his ground buttons are terrible.

[Krandor]

Bison's standing HK is not that good anymore. If we were talking vanilla or Super hell yes, but in it's current form the hurt box is way too big and leaves you incredibly prone to trades, and unless your hitting them with the thigh, a trade is usually not working in your favor.

[Callisto]

Though technically with one bar Abel might actually have the best anti-air, if players were robots and could do hard shit with little to no reaction time all the time lol...

[octopus]

Makoto's DP is good, at least her ex, better than Vega's ground options, and leads to combos in the corner, iirc. I think her cr. MK I believe is also decent.

Makoto's ex dp is useless. She has many AA options but they're all situational. The DP is ok but has slow startup compared to other DPs. Cr. mk is pretty good but its slow.

[Callisto]

Yeah, with her you have to AA like...when you see the dust from them leaving the ground lol

[Deejay]

I think Bison's st. HK is better than Vega's then.

Not necessarily. They're both used for the same purpose only Vega's has more range. Bison has to use ST.HK to cover all angles in front of him which causes a lot of trades that aren't in his favor. Also, Vega's HK works best at the range that he likes to play in.

Guy has access to a pretty solid AA with meter.

Ex grab? Or Tatsu? Either one of those are situational.

Abel's AA throw and cr. Hp are bad? I legit don't know, I assumed his AA grab was decent outside of combos.

AA grab is useless. Not enough active frames to make it not trade or get plain stuffed. His EX TT is a better anti air than his damn Skyfall. His Cr. HK got nerfed in 2012 but it will probably go back to what it was in Ultra. (ie, not useless)

Makoto's DP is good, at least her ex, better than Vega's ground options, and leads to combos in the corner, iirc. I think her cr. MK I believe is also decent.

We're not talking about combo's we're talking about AA's. Her DP sucks. It's slow, she takes a step forward so it completely whiffs on cross up attempts. If she wants to anti air you face to face, she almost always has to leave the ground to do it. Her cr. mk is decent from far though. But there's no need to jump at Makoto when she's a full screen away to it's practically useless against anyone who doesn't have down's.

I also thought Yang's LK DP was supposed to be a good AA? Maybe not invincibilty wise, but hitbox/hurtbox wise. Of course, this is all ground based stuff i'm referring to.

Again, he moves to do it so it's easily baited and punished. You can only use it from far away.

[Chun Liroy]

I see. The thing about vega's HK is that it's not necessarily that good at range. Far. MK is a better poke. At max range, the 1st hit doesn't hit, so mk and HK do the same damage. While it does start up in 4f and MK starts up in 8, MK has much less recovery and is less punishable than MK. HK is best used in mid range, at about probably far. lk max range. Even then, I get frustrated because the 2nd hit whiffs on some characters so it doesn't focus break. That's my biggest problem right now, honestly, is dealing with focus attacks, I should option select cr. MP with ex FBA using 3 kicks so that I get a backflip if I don't have charge, or the combo if I do, but I don't.

But yeah, st. HK is his only ground AA and it's extremely situational. I have to look into using cr. MP more often to get under jump ins because I've noticed Zeus uses that a lot like Ryu's cr. MK.

Also, I thought only MK and HK version of Yang's roll move him forward, LK is just straight DP?

[Deejay]

He can't dp Dudley's elbow for shit, but it may work in other matchups...

[octopus]

Dudley's elbow is godlike tho ;o

[Deejay]

It's weird though, because Cammy can DP me free but Sagat and Yang eat shit almost all the time

[Nitsuki]

Do you have a source where that came out?

I totally forgot where i saw this as it was news a while back. However i just googled it and it says that the consoles will be ported from the PC version. So PC master race for that game is still it for me. Lol

[shidobu]

Dudley's elbow is godlike tho ;o

>:I makes me so mad when it whiffs and i end up on the otherside

[Krandor]

FWIW, Divekick up on PSN, $10, or $8 if you have PS+

Cross buy and cross play

[TacoTaru]

FWIW, Divekick up on PSN, $10, or $8 if you have PS+

Cross buy and cross play

[Chun Liroy]

WHY DO I PLAY THESE GAMES ONLINE ALL THAT HAPPENS IS I GET MAD.

[Vandole]

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[Krandor]

There are people playing Divekick with connections so bad it makes GGPO lag.

[Chun Liroy]

What games are actually on GGPO?

[Krandor]

Big ones on console was the Capcom HD releases and Skullgirls. PC environment was much larger.

Grabbed the game to play face to face with some friends, the online definitely isn't entertaining. But only 10 bucks so I dun care.