EVO 2014: Euro will never Top 8

**Chun Liroy** · 2013-10-25 07:33

I guess depending on when you hit the focus, because backdashes have airborne frames. If you hit during them, sends them into a spinning state. Doesn't really matter though because if you're backdashing, you're not blocking, and normal focus level 2 creates crumple anyways (just not unblockable).

This vid makes me want to play felicia... That shit is so awesome lol.

Also, I had no idea her alt was so fucking awesome, I want to play her just based on that alt lol.

**Damane** · 2013-10-25 11:28

I like the 2 ultra setup for exchange of reduced dmg, but I am not very fond of the red focus attack. Some characters have no reliable armor break move or a very slow one and the possibility of a red focus might totally annihilate their offense.
Characters that come to minde:
- Rose: only Armor break move is soul spiral (not very fast)
- Chun Li: spinning bird kick....
- Cammy: spin kunckle
list goes on

of course you can break armor with an ultra or grab them (if you can). But its really scary, you have to worry with heavy counter poke/pokeing based chars on the normal focus alot, with red focus you could annihilite most likely their offense once they get it going. On the other hand they can do the same to other chars.

ah well time will tell if its a good addition or not^^ I will be open minded to it.

**Weltall** · 2013-10-25 11:32

I'm sure they will adjust many characters to adapt to red focus changes.

Either way, every matchup in the game 100% changes with the additions of red focus and double-ultra.

**Callisto** · 2013-10-25 11:39

People are probably underestimating the amount of time a character spends having 2+ bars and will be willing to wager it on a single FA that can be grabbed/armor broken/jumped. Red focus will give people something to think about in neutral game but it's not going to create drastic changes.

2 Ultra option is completely pointless on about 85% of the current cast since most characters either have Ultras that are completely interchangeable, or one that is just vastly superior than the other(that and some characters' Ultras do such garbage damage that doing the 2 Ultra option would make their Ultra do less damage than a standard EX move). Only characters I can think of where it will matter are: Gief, Hawk, Makoto, Hakan, Fei, Cammy, Abel, and maybe Cody.

**Weltall** · 2013-10-25 11:42

Double Ultra is CERTAINLY good for Ibuki. Grab ultra + go through fireball Ultra? YES PLZ.

You are way wrong on the double ultra. The character and its weaknesses matter and also the matchup matters. Having both ultras will certainly be good against most fireball characters.

**octopus** · 2013-10-25 11:44

For Makoto I'd say for most matchups you'll still want to use U1 (lol that damage), but for current U2 matchups you probably want to switch to double ultras now.

**Callisto** · 2013-10-25 11:47

Most characters with an anti-fireball Ultra don't have a second Ultra that gives them better utility or comboability to have around, and a few that do like Chun-Li have the damage issue. Yes you could have U1 to go through fireballs then U2 to combo off of, but if you have 50% Ultra bar and the 2 Ultras setting, Kikoshen does...150 damage with no scaling, and maxes at 217 without any. The ones who really get use out of it are generally ones where one of their Ultras are a grab(in Makoto's case you can essentially consider U1 a grab ultra).

Akuma actually probably would get solid use out of it, since it would keep Demon which would still do 250-300+ and take away people's ability to OS punish teleports.

**Chun Liroy** · 2013-10-25 11:48

Vega never even uses his ultras. He has no good focus breaker and is extremely susceptible to FAs.

Fuck Capcom.

**The Blackrose** · 2013-10-25 11:51

They gave Gen access to his anti-fireball Ultra and he already doesn't give a shit about Focus if you're cancelling into hands.

This is going to be funny.

**Weltall** · 2013-10-25 11:53

There is no point in even bringing up damage #'s or life #'s. We have no idea if they will be changed, but its likely they will...so yeah.

**Callisto** · 2013-10-25 11:54

Originally Posted by Chun Liroy

Vega never even uses his ultras. He has no good focus breaker and is extremely susceptible to FAs.

Fuck Capcom.

U2 is a solid AA, U1 is kinda pointless. Just U2 FAs, obv.

**Callisto** · 2013-10-25 11:56

Originally Posted by Weltall

There is no point in even bringing up damage #'s or life #'s. We have no idea if they will be changed, but its likely they will...so yeah.

They really can't do too much, if they boost damage past 66% for the characters with shitty damage Ultras, they break Gief/Hawk/Abel, unless they want to boost Ultra damage across the board for characters with low-damage ultras, which then probably busts those characters when they use single Ultras.

**Chun Liroy** · 2013-10-25 11:57

Originally Posted by Callisto

U2 is a solid AA, U1 is kinda pointless. Just U2 FAs, obv.

U2 doesn't even trip guard. And its 8f start up, so it's a fairly specific timing to get it to AA, and it will only AA if they pressed a button in the air.

**Weltall** · 2013-10-25 12:00

They can do anything they want lol.

I bet Chun Li is getting a damage buff to her Ultra 2 which in turn would increase her Double Ultra by math.

**Aurara** · 2013-10-25 12:12

U2 does shit dmg already, so if they can do something for it I'm going to be even happier than before.

**Callisto** · 2013-10-25 12:28

Originally Posted by Weltall

They can do anything they want lol.

Well yeah, I more meant "can't" as in they can't if they don't want the game to be busted as fuck lol

**Chun Liroy** · 2013-10-25 12:30

They better get rid of charge ultra retard motion (Guile U1, Vega U1, whomever else has that retarded downback, downforward, downback, upback motion).

**Xno Kappa** · 2013-10-25 13:04

Rose dual ultra sounds legit as hell since U2 is more of a utility ultra anyways. Unless they're changing up frame data too when dual-wielding, which I don't think I've heard.

**Don Katsu** · 2013-10-25 13:42

Gen has one shitty Ultra per stance. So now he will have two good ones (Crane U2/ Mantis U1) but the damage on U1 will be abyssmal. I can only see a character like Zangief using two Ultras or Maybe Juri. Ryu there is no reason to use Metsu Shoryuken, Ken no reason to use Guren since he has so many ways to get around fireballs and they are increasing the damage on SRk > FADC > Shinryuken.

Rose is going to be extremely good against red focus. Soul spirals shit on focus attacks all the time.

**Chun Liroy** · 2013-10-25 13:50

You are ignoring THawk and hakan is going to have the best ultras in the game.

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