EVO 2014: Euro will never Top 8

**Weltall** · 2013-10-25 14:23

I will be using 2 Ultra Ibuki in ANY fireball matchup.

**Callisto** · 2013-10-25 14:33

By characters on who I think has a good reason to use both:

Abel: Yes
Adon: No
Akuma: Yes
Balrog: No
Blanka: Yes
C. Viper: No
Cammy: Yes
Chun-Li: Maybe? Leaning towards yes
Cody: Yes
Dan: Maybe, same boat as Chun, utility is there but would need damage buff
Deejay: No
Dhalsim: See Chun/Dan
Dudley: No
Honda: Yes
El Fuerte: No
Evil Ryu: No
Fei Long: Yes
Gen: Yes
Gouken: No
Guile: idk, both his ultras suck
Guy: Yes
Hakan: Yes
Ibuki: Yes
Juri: Kind of depends how the 2 Ultra nerf is implemented for installs, leaning towards No
Ken: No
Bison: No
Makoto: Yes
Oni: Yes
Rose: I think no, I don't think enough is gained from U1 to nerf U2's damage
Rufus: No
Ryu: No
Sagat: No
Sakura: No
Seth: No
T.Hawk: Yes
Vega: No
Yang: Yes
Yun: No
Zangief: Yes

**Jefe** · 2013-10-25 15:08

For Rog, something interesting could come out of it assuming they won't nerf his stun. The fact that his U1 as a juggle and his U2 do shit damage, but the latter tons of stun. I think the new mechanics have the potential to develop something in his favour.

**Weltall** · 2013-10-25 15:35

Two of the biggest "YES" I see in the game, Rose and Chun, you have as maybes?

Again, talking about this is pointless because you don't know the changes they making to Ultras (damage, startup, motion, frames, etc)

Chun is a 100% yes and will be a fucking monster in USF4. I can almost guarantee you Ricky/Wong will be playing her.

**Don Katsu** · 2013-10-25 15:52

Chun Li's Ultra 2 scales horribly there really wouldn't be any reason to nerf her U1 damage at the sake of adding maybe 40 damage to her ex lightning legs. She will continue to use U1 against Fireball characters

**Krandor** · 2013-10-25 16:39

I'm missing how Adon with both Ultras isn't baller as fuck? U1 is one of the best anti-FB ultras in the game, and giving him that with combo potential is nasty.

**Chun Liroy** · 2013-10-25 17:45

Originally Posted by Krandor

I'm missing how Adon with both Ultras isn't baller as fuck? U1 is one of the best anti-FB ultras in the game, and giving him that with combo potential is nasty.

It's dope, but only useful in a few matchups (IE fireball chars. Mostly Ryu, Sagat, Dhalsim, Gouken/Rose/Ken/guile/Chun/Deejay to a lesser extent).

**Lokus** · 2013-10-25 18:06

Originally Posted by Chun Liroy

It's dope, but only useful in a few matchups (IE fireball chars. Mostly Ryu, Sagat, Dhalsim, Gouken/Rose/Ken/guile/Chun/Deejay to a lesser extent).

And most of those characters are common matchups (or used to be) so it'll get a lot of use.

As for Chun, U1 is actually the better ultra even against non-fireball characters since you can use it to punish whiff or blocked moves or use it in a corner combo. U2 is nice guaranteed damage on top of her basic BnB though. I won't lie though, there are some matchups where I wish I had both Ultras lol.

**Vandole** · 2013-10-25 21:46

Originally Posted by Weltall

Two of the biggest "YES" I see in the game, Rose and Chun, you have as maybes?

Again, talking about this is pointless because you don't know the changes they making to Ultras (damage, startup, motion, frames, etc)

Chun is a 100% yes and will be a fucking monster in USF4. I can almost guarantee you Ricky/Wong will be playing her.

i can confirm ricky is practicing hard on chun lately.

**Xno Kappa** · 2013-10-25 21:54

Originally Posted by Callisto

By characters on who I think has a good reason to use both:

Rose: I think no, I don't think enough is gained from U1 to nerf U2's damage

Rose U2 damage is already negligible as is at 120 a ball iirc. As long as they don't nerf the startup again, having access to U1 seems like a no-brainer to me. Curious to see what filipinoman thinks.

EDIT: Completely forgot they're supposed to be buffing Rose's overall damage anyways. Shiiiit, she's gonna be legit as fuck son!

**Chun Liroy** · 2013-10-25 21:58

Originally Posted by Xno Kappa

Rose U2 damage is already negligible as is at 120 a ball iirc. As long as they don't nerf the startup again, having access to U1 seems like a no-brainer to me. Curious to see what filipinoman thinks.

https://twitter.com/HeraldGerrera/st...57407189573632

**Xno Kappa** · 2013-10-25 22:02

Originally Posted by Chun Liroy

https://twitter.com/HeraldGerrera/st...57407189573632

Nice, exactly what I thought.

**Weltall** · 2013-10-25 22:13

Yep, thats exactly why I said Rose would for sure be a yes in every single match.

**Xno Kappa** · 2013-10-25 22:47

Now Bipson, he gains absolutely jack shit from dual ultra and red focus is going to jeopardize his corner pressure. An unsafe as shit armor breaker in psycho crusher isn't worth it at all to try and bait it.

They're gonna have to buff something or else I see him dropping in tiers significantly.

**Lucavi** · 2013-10-25 22:57

Would like to see the Fat man's U2 buffed enough to be useful again for a "aha! you jumped!" punish.

**Weltall** · 2013-10-26 02:45

So Daigo is not even going to try to qualify for Capcom cup? lol

**Chun Liroy** · 2013-10-26 06:46

Originally Posted by Xno Kappa

Now Bipson, he gains absolutely jack shit from dual ultra and red focus is going to jeopardize his corner pressure. An unsafe as shit armor breaker in psycho crusher isn't worth it at all to try and bait it.

They're gonna have to buff something or else I see him dropping in tiers significantly.

I disagree slightly. I can see it completely fucking his scissor kick pressure, but Psycho crusher is a solid ass armor breaker. You can punish red focus's on reaction very easily with it and it'll be one of the better ones to do so. Just can't spam scissor kicks in the corner anymore without thought, I guess.

Edit: I was thinking... and I'm worried about garbage foreign players getting into capcom cup for marvel, ie Frutsy and Pony. All the american's votes are going to be diluted, meanwhile every mother fucker from japan is going to vote for abegen and nemo, and every mother fucking mexican is going to vote for Frutsy and Pony...

**Chun Liroy** · 2013-10-26 07:17

Another system wide change is coming... just as big if not bigger than Red Focus. They are trying to reinvent SF4 and make it play in a way different from previous times.

Airdashes confirmed Kappa

**Nitsuki** · 2013-10-26 07:43

Originally Posted by Chun Liroy

Another system wide change is coming... just as big if not bigger than Red Focus. They are trying to reinvent SF4 and make it play in a way different from previous times.

Airdashes confirmed Kappa

Probably air blocking or air recovery like alpha series. Anything else is just not SF. Only other thing is parrying or red parry like 3rd strike, but we already have focus for that. Nothing else i can think of.

**octopus** · 2013-10-26 09:43

Alpha counters? Guard crush meter? Universal overheads?

Or just copy paste SFxT's charge special move system lol

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