EVO 2014: Euro will never Top 8

**Weltall** · 2013-07-30 15:33

I don't see how the combo isn't match practical. A lot of Gen's stuff is punishable, but its just as easy to completely whiff the punish or mistime any punish in his wall shenanigans.

**The Blackrose** · 2013-07-30 15:34

Also, in more relevant news:

http://shoryuken.com/2013/07/30/majo...d-enforcement/

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Weltall

I don't see how the combo isn't match practical. A lot of Gen's stuff is punishable, but its just as easy to completely whiff the punish or mistime any punish in his wall shenanigans.

Because you're praying that you land it off a random Oga as an initiator. Not only is there a block punish opportunity, but there's the possibility of getting stuffed both on the way up as well as down. Also, a person that knows the matchup (and if you're not learning it now, you're fucking up) will scout any possible oga setups, whether it is a quickrise or a hard knockdown cross. That's even if there is one on the character (eg. Fei Long does not have a hard knockdown setup)

Also, half of the hard knockdown setups off throws and such are a pain in the ass due to the walk forward motion required to pull it off. If you screw it up, you're jumping into pain or you're just inching over a person's head. You may even get stuffed by a wake up reversal.

**Weltall** · 2013-07-30 15:36

Originally Posted by Chun Liroy

In what world is damage more than situationally relevant to cheapness factor in SF4? Again, Deejay is not considered cheap and his super and ultra does massive damage. TAP punch does massive damage. E. Ryu does massive damage, I don't think anyone thinks he is cheap because of it. Cammy is just as cheap with reduced damage because that's not what makes her cheap, same thing for Akuma. Same thing with Fei Long. Are Juri or Oni cheap because they can do 600 damage combos?

Seth does ass damage in general, is he not cheap because his damage is lower?
Zangief can do 50% landing an ultra, is that cheap?

Plenty of variables are involved in the "cheap" equation:

Damage IS one of the variables
Damage IS NOT the only variable (as it was NEVER implied unless you're ignorant)

This is the last time I'm responding to you about it because you cannot seem to comprehend it correctly.

@Deejay:

I 100% agree Akuma and Cammy are much more cheap. I think both need a nerf; I do not think Gen needs a nerf as I have stated here already.

See, I can disagree with Deejay, and he at least understands what I am typing.

**Deejay** · 2013-07-30 15:37

Originally Posted by The Blackrose

Because you're praying that you land it off a random Oga as an initiator. Not only is there a block punish opportunity, but there's the possibility of getting stuffed both on the way up as well as down. Also, a person that knows the matchup (and if you're not learning it now, you're fucking up) will scout any possible oga setups, whether it is a quickrise or a hard knockdown cross. That's even if there is one on the character (eg. Fei Long does not have a hard knockdown setup)

Nope, CHEEEEAAAAAAP

**octopus** · 2013-07-30 15:39

Originally Posted by The Blackrose

http://shoryuken.com/2013/07/30/majo...d-enforcement/

Wow, that's pretty big

**Krandor** · 2013-07-30 15:41

Originally Posted by The Blackrose

Also, in more relevant news:

http://shoryuken.com/2013/07/30/majo...d-enforcement/

Thank god, sad it took this long for everyone to get behind this kind of thing.

Also lol @ VxG not being on the list.

**octopus** · 2013-07-30 15:42

This has got to be the first time SRK has ever mentioned eventhubs in one of its articles lol

**Charismatic** · 2013-07-30 15:43

Did this nigga just call me a casual in XI? Nah bro, skrait up hardcore til after ToAU came out son. One of the first niggas with Sea access on Bismarck and when Sky and Kings were it you better believe you saw a nigga every time Behe, Faf or Despot even thought about spawning back in the day. Also not-so-well-known for stealing Enhancing Swords and scamming nigs with Scorpion Claws.

Things did eventually change 'cause I didn't have that kinda time anymore but best BELIEVE that on XIV I will be doing it old style.

**Sho** · 2013-07-30 15:44

Don't worry guys, Capcom said in Ultra, everyone "will be a threat.". So just play Marvel or FFXIV til then.

Kappa

**Deejay** · 2013-07-30 15:44

Originally Posted by Weltall

@Deejay:

I 100% agree Akuma and Cammy are much more cheap. I think both need a nerf; I do not think Gen needs a nerf as I have stated here already.

See, I can disagree with Deejay, and he at least understands what I am typing.

IMO, I think ultras and supers should do a lot of damage. Part of the reason why Ken's ultra1 damage is getting buffed is so that it becomes an actual game changer when you get hit by it. Why buff one characters ultra damage and then go the other way on another?

I like the fact that Gen can punish stuff for big damage, especially when his normals BnB's literally do jack shit. Let the old man do some damage if he's got a super and ultra stocked. That's about as situational as it gets anyway.

**Krandor** · 2013-07-30 15:45

Originally Posted by Charismatic

Did this nigga just call me a casual in XI? Nah bro, skrait up hardcore til after ToAU came out son. One of the first niggas with Sea access on Bismarck and when Sky and Kings were it you better believe you saw a nigga every time Behe, Faf or Despot even thought about spawning back in the day. Also not-so-well-known for stealing Enhancing Swords and scamming nigs with Scorpion Claws.

Things did eventually change 'cause I didn't have that kinda time anymore but best BELIEVE that on XIV I will be doing it old style.

lol

**The Blackrose** · 2013-07-30 15:46

Originally Posted by Deejay

I like the fact that Gen can punish stuff for big damage, especially when his normals BnB's literally do jack shit.

To be fair, it depends on the matchup.

If you play a character that lets Gen land TC2xxHK Gekiro so you get to eat the stance dependent 50/50 afterwards, I do feel for you.

God help everyone if that's universal in Ultra.

**Weltall** · 2013-07-30 15:46

Originally Posted by Charismatic

Did this nigga just call me a casual in XI? Nah bro, skrait up hardcore til after ToAU came out son. One of the first niggas with Sea access on Bismarck and when Sky and Kings were it you better believe you saw a nigga every time Behe, Faf or Despot even thought about spawning back in the day.

I like you...we would have camped so well together.

**Deejay** · 2013-07-30 15:48

Originally Posted by Charismatic

Did this nigga just call me a casual in XI? Nah bro, skrait up hardcore til after ToAU came out son. One of the first niggas with Sea access on Bismarck and when Sky and Kings were it you better believe you saw a nigga every time Behe, Faf or Despot even thought about spawning back in the day. Also not-so-well-known for stealing Enhancing Swords and scamming nigs with Scorpion Claws.

Things did eventually change 'cause I didn't have that kinda time anymore but best BELIEVE that on XIV I will be doing it old style.

Oh, that's whats up. I never saw you post much in the old FFXI boards so I just assumed you were casual back then. So who are you playing 14 with?

**Weltall** · 2013-07-30 15:50

Originally Posted by Deejay

IMO, I think ultras and supers should do a lot of damage.

If you didn't get your Ultra from taking damage I would agree. You shouldn't be allowed to come back so easily with a huge burst after getting your ass handed to you so much. I think the damage is perfect as it is currently on *most* Ultras.

I really like Supers doing a lot of damage because you have to sacrifice using EX moves and it builds based on the user doing well instead of poorly.

**Charismatic** · 2013-07-30 15:51

Sadly, not really anyone from BG 'cause most of the Legacy players are going to Excalibur it looks like.
I'm going to Sargatanas with the retard players... like Babydoll.

Only people from these forums I know will be there are Ragnell and Arvin.

EDIT: Oh wait, BRP and Numbers are too if they didn't server switch or anything.

**Krandor** · 2013-07-30 15:53

Originally Posted by Charismatic

BRP

Awwwww yeah

**Sho** · 2013-07-30 15:55

Also it seems TOs have finally agreed to be a governed under SRK/EVO. That's pretty awesome and a big deal. 2014 is going to be amazing.

**Krandor** · 2013-07-30 15:58

I noticed a few omissions, but every tournament that could remotely be considered a major (edit: outside of Japan anyways) is on there I believe.

And it's not really fully governed, just that for a tournament to get any kind of press, it has to prove to SRK/Eventhubs that it has that rule in place.

**Chun Liroy** · 2013-07-30 16:06

Oh wow, that's insane. Kudos, Illuminati.

But would Chrisg be DQ'd under these rules for using his Ammy/Morrigan/Phoenix team at Evo or using his ryu/wesker/hawkeye team at VxG despite beating both of his opponents in this situation?

What do you guys think of Ultra meter only being risen in proportion to gray life taken? That would probably be imbalanced in a lot of match ups though (fireball uses would be at an inherit disadvantage)...

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