Pope on gays: "Who am I to judge?"

[quannum]

It is up to studied theologians to interpret the Bible and for the individual to align themselves with their ideas.

what's this from?

[Ksandra]

I think in layman's terms jaybar is trying to say:

While in class individual high school students may have different ideas behind the meanings of The Bell Jar, it's up to the teachers to show the interpretations of scholars who have researched it for years as being the main interpretations.

It's not that the students' interpretations are wrong, but if they did a research paper, they wouldn't put themselves in their bibliography, and their essay is probably not going to be regarded as written by an expert.


I do not knock those of the nondenominational, though. There are some who really don't feel they fit in any sect, and some who are against organized religion in the first place. However, often even those people look to the other sects to help them think about what they personally believe.

[ronin sparthos]

Ive always belived that religious sects should be a foundation of faith and then you go from there and personally look for more core values/beliefs. Ive always identified myself as "christian" but anyone who knows me is surprised by that because my values/beliefs are a mix of many different religions and I don't believe any one religion to honestly be wrong on anything.

Sounds like deism. If you're going to have faith or be religious why do you need a pre-packaged mealplan (Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Jain, Sikh) rather than crafting your own dish? It's always been seen to me as a shortcut. The minute you subscribe to a belief system you're obligated to follow the rules which limit your ability to explore your 'faith' and the monotheistic religions drive this point home constantly. Some religions have death penalties for disagreements with the tenets of the faith,others delight in torture, oppression and generally every reprehensible thing you can possibly imagine and still others simply are meant to be taken as guidelines for an ideal life, generally peaceful or are meant to be philosophies with no real end result.

No religion wrong on anything? Might want to look into the wildy absurd claims that religions make to the point where even adherents ignore them or wax apologetic when they are mentioned.

[Blubbartron]

Hey look, someone Kuya was talking about.

Best ignore, he won't add any value to the discussion and won't learn anything.

What's to learn? The entire discussion is based on the unprovable, improbable, and illogical belief that catholicism knows supernatural truth (and the presupposition that such truth actually exists). Also, do my posts scream "rage" to you? If a level-headed and half-hearted mocking of religion is rage, then a new word needs to be invented for people that drive in LA.

Everyone has different beliefs, dude. Just take it as an opportunity to learn about what somebody else thinks. Everyone here is welcoming the other's opinions.

I'm well aware that most people have different beliefs. I'm also at least decently informed as to the tenets of this particular faith, as well as myriad other faiths. They don't have anything of value to teach anyone that can't be taught without.

[Kuya]

Did anyone ever make a thread about Desmond Tutu?

[Ksandra]

Did anyone ever make a thread about Desmond Tutu?

Don't think so, and I missed it. That's pretty awesome.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ti-gay-heaven/

Friday that if he had his pick, he’d go to hell before heading to a heaven that condemned homosexuality as sin.

“I would not worship a God who is homophobic and that is how deeply I feel about this,” he said, by way of denouncing religions that discriminate against gays, in Agence France-Presse..

He added, AFP reported: “I would refuse to go to a homophobic heaven. No, I would say sorry, I mean I would much rather go to the other place.”

He made the remarks during the United Nations‘ launch of its gay-rights campaign in Cape Town.

Mr. Tutu also likened equal rights for gays to the fight for equal rights for blacks.

“I am as passionate about this campaign as I ever was about apartheid,” he said, AFP reported. “For me, it is at the same level.”

[edit] I forgot to mention, that I read awhile back a research paper a few cardinals in Europe had done over gays adopting. The translation was bad (forgot if it was Spanish or French), but it seemed like the research ultimately was somewhat inconclusive on whether it should be allowed citing a lot of positive and negatives (religious-wise mind you) about it. Regardless, it's good that it's becoming something they are focusing on discussing.

[ronin sparthos]

Obligatory "dont look at the fucking comments section" post here.

[Jaybar]

I think in layman's terms jaybar is trying to say:

While in class individual high school students may have different ideas behind the meanings of The Bell Jar, it's up to the teachers to show the interpretations of scholars who have researched it for years as being the main interpretations.

It's not that the students' interpretations are wrong, but if they did a research paper, they wouldn't put themselves in their bibliography, and their essay is probably not going to be regarded as written by an expert.

Thanks - I knew it looked a little awkward but I didn't know how to rewrite it without a metaphor.

[quannum]

i asked what it is from, not for a "layman's" explanation. is it just your opinion or does some book say it?

[ringthree]

Obligatory "dont look at the fucking comments section" post here.

Its the Washington Times, what do you expect?

[Ksandra]

Sounds like deism. If you're going to have faith or be religious why do you need a pre-packaged mealplan (Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Jain, Sikh) rather than crafting your own dish?

All these terms just really boil down to:

christanity=believe Jesus was the messiah and believe in the new testament

muslim= believe in the Koran

jew=believe in the old testament

etc.

Now, there are main stream believes that go into further detail, but if you believe Jesus was the messiah that basically makes you a Christian. You may not follow and of the sects of Chritianity, and may have completely different interpretations than the other sects. And that would make you nondenominational. But you really don't have to follow any "rules" to be a christian outside of Jesus is the messiah. And if you believe that, then you're already there. (heck you don't technically need to follow the rules to be a catholic, but I think you get the idea)

[Ksandra]

i asked what it is from, not for a "layman's" explanation. is it just your opinion or does some book say it?

>.>;

That logic applies to most things in life (going to an expert), why would you even ask it?

[edit] I mean, I'm sure somewhere like a "Life for Dummies" tells you you should probably go ask a doctor...but idk...I don't get the importance.

For that matter, I am sure most HS English books tell you to cite your sources from experts rather than yourself. So sure, books tell you to go to the experts.

[quannum]

yes, its a simple question that i apply to most things in life. is there an answer?

[Ksandra]

is there an answer?

MLA handbook?

[quannum]

MLA handbook?

It is up to studied theologians to interpret the Bible and for the individual to align themselves with their ideas.

that is not from the MLA handbook. I'll take this protracted exchanged to mean that he made it up.

[Churchill]

i personally just classify anyone i meet who is religious as "dumb" straight off the bat

[Ksandra]

that is not from the MLA handbook. I'll take this protracted exchanged to mean that he made it up.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003..._1_xlarge.jpeg

[Churchill]

that is a typical expression when asking for answers from someone who believes in the spaghetti monster.

[Yugl]

MLA is for assclowns anyways. APA/Chicago or bust!

[ringthree]

MLA is for assclowns anyways. APA/Chicago or bust!

Jesus christ, you guys make me look like James Dean.