New Areas, Dungeons and Popup Text; All Minions/Mounts; FC Crests, Ishguard Datamine Thread

[Evane]

Well yeah somewhat

[spoiler]They are the same.

[Ratatapa]

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They are the same.

I know I just

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confound and understood that he was the one who fought in the Mission lv 16 so yeah ima stop since i'm wrong on that point

[Gokulo]

I found what the spoiler was about and I'd go with Rocl, this can mean any number of different things.

[Rocl]

For the record, does anyone have those spoiler shots saved? I can't believe I skipped saving them myself.

nvm i was being retarded and found it

[Deuce]

I feel there's a fatal flaw to the assumption

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based on what we've seen, wouldn't he have to be in two places at once during a major event, battle at the end of 1.0, for him to be the unknown ascian?

[Rocl]

I'm growing tired of speculating on this BUT I SUPPOSE I'LL CONTINUE

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He'd only have to be in two places at once if you assume he is ???--there is no evidence he is or isn't based on what we have in these screenshots. He could be a simple rank & file Ascian dude. It's unlikely ??? = Travanchet and we know for a fact he is an Ascian.

What I'm driving at is, Thancred could have been in Ul'dah during the Battle of Carteneau and still be an Ascian. We only see two Ascians at Carteneau. It's silly to believe those are the only two in existence. It's also probably silly to believe the random Masked Mage at Carteneau is the same one we slay in the main story line, and again, we don't even know if all the main storyline Ascians are the same. The one you fight with Y'shtola in Limsa could be different than the one you fight in Gridania with Yda and Papalymo, etc.

A bigger detraction to Thancred being an Ascian is that he was shown with a shadow during 1.0-- even Travanchet didn't have that. It was impossible/difficult to see the Masked Mage's shadows in 2.0 do the Dark weather and hiding in the shadows, but I never looked too hard. Same with Thancred in 1.0--I didn't expect to have look for his shadow so I didn't in 2.0

[Sephiroth]

I think BG needs a story thread come launch where people can talk about it without shitting up threads with spoiler tags. It's the equivalent of blank posts to anyone not wanting to read them.

[Rocl]

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/113...ry-lore-thread exists

Also we're talking about a story that was contained exclusively within the benchmark shit which this thread is discussing.

"Shitting up threads" is ridiculous because a) all threads are shit b) with the kaput on db, ge, dow etc there's no worthwhile info to discuss except what you can remember from the leak

[Elcura]

"Shitting up threads"

Is merely code for "Talk about something I wanna talk about!"

[Evane]

What's with people complaining about threads being shat in? It's not like posts are documents covering the tops of their desks.

[Sephiroth]

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/113...ry-lore-thread exists

Also we're talking about a story that was contained exclusively within the benchmark shit which this thread is discussing.

"Shitting up threads" is ridiculous because a) all threads are shit b) with the kaput on db, ge, dow etc there's no worthwhile info to discuss except what you can remember from the leak

There's a difference between a general lore thread and one talking about main plot spoilers. I'll be disappointed if I'm forced to avoid the thread you linked come launch just because people can't separate the two. But that's the BG way isn't it, cram as much as possible into one thread.

And I guess you're right, this thread has ran its course and people are just picking at the bones now since the enforced NDA on benchmark data.

[Spider-Dan]

Not somewhat, but 100% the same thing.

Not really.

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"Thancred is an Ascian" can mean any number of things. Teal'c is literally "a Jaffa" but that doesn't necessarily mean he is a bad guy now.
"Thancred is Masked Man" (the exact spoiler text I saw from googling that list) means that he is necessarily a bad guy, if not the bad guy.

Furthermore, only the second one would require Thancred fighting against himself (which pretty conclusively proves that he is not the masked man).

[Rocl]

THIS DISCUSSION.

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I have no idea what the fuck a Jaffa is so, I'm kind of going to ignore that. The text from googling that spoiler was "Thancred is an Ascian" whenever I've done it, which is what I'm basing my entire argument on. I find it peculiar you received a different result. In addition, the "leaked images" in no way confirm either hypothesis (masked mage or ???) though I guess I can take a gander now to see if the robes are different between ???, Thancred, and Masked Mage.

Also, judging by the monster list I found earlier, the last boss is likely Lahabrea, Vyraal, or Ultima Weapon

[Elcura]

THIS DISCUSSION.

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I have no idea what the fuck a Jaffa is so, I'm kind of going to ignore that. The text from googling that spoiler was "Thancred is an Ascian" whenever I've done it, which is what I'm basing my entire argument on. I find it peculiar you received a different result. In addition, the "leaked images" in no way confirm either hypothesis (masked mage or ???) though I guess I can take a gander now to see if the robes are different between ???, Thancred, and Masked Mage.

Also, judging by the monster list I found earlier, the last boss is likely Lahabrea, Vyraal, or Ultima Weapon

Enter the quagmire.

Also, nearly spoilt myself quoting this. WOOPS

[Spider-Dan]

More.

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You can substitute "Teal'c is a Jaffa" with "Seven of Nine is a Borg" or "Tigh is a Cylon" or "Odo is a Founder." If you don't understand any of those, then I don't know what to tell you.

When I google that list, I get this:

http://viperbeam.com/ffxiv/thancred.png

[Gokulo]

That's because people take shortcuts to the most controversial assumptions.

[Rocl]

had to step out for a minute but

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i cant believe we're doing this, but this is more or less the result i got. when i clicked the actual result i didn't look at the img name, no so my bad. however, i'm still skeptical of this whole thing, and i had a bunch of good thoughts while i was outside sec

ugh l'esprit d'escalier strikes again. it's difficult to say whether or not him being THE masked man would necessitate a fight--there are a hundred reasons why we don't fight the big bad ??? (fuck it, let's call him red mask or something)

there's a whole host of possibilities that would prevent a fight with the red mask, especially considering if they're gonna through the sort of wrench into things making thancred an ascian (though it's not the first time an archon has switched sides, see: ahldbhar) it could be that the red mask is killed by ultima weapon or some shit and we never have to fight him, who knows

[Spider-Dan]

I think that mostly covers it:

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I also saw "Thancred is an Ascian" at one point when googling, so I'm not disputing that as a possibility. I'm just saying that "Thancred is Masked Man" and "Thancred is an Ascian" are not the same thing (though the former is a subset of the latter).

The first one means he's definitely a bad guy (and contradicts logic, since Thancred fights him in Ul'dah main scenario), while the second could mean that he's a rogue Ascian that's on our side (like all the other examples I named).

[Rocl]

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You're following into the same trap as Rata and Deuce I think.
We fight a Black Mask in the main scenario. We don't know who they are or if the four archons fight the same Black Mask. We don't know if the Black Mask at Cartneau is the same Black Mask in Ul'dah.
The actual picture (i believe, i'm double checking now) doesn't show us if he's the Red Mask or a Black Mask by virtue of him being, quite literally, unmasked

Well, upon double checking the spoiler pics vs my own screenshots, the Red Mask has shoulder pauldrons while the Black Masks don't. Thancred in the spoiler pic has shoulder pauldrons.

[Spider-Dan]

Guess we're not done yet.

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We don't know if Thancred is "a masked man" (read: Ascian grunt) or "the Masked Man" (read: boss) or something else entirely, but that's not really the point I was making. The point I was making was that those two statements don't mean the same thing: one of them ("Thancred is Masked Man") means he is a primary villain (and contradicts logic), while the other ("Thancred is an Ascian") could mean nearly anything.