Monstrosity: Abilities and General Mechanics

[Sehrahin]

Sabotender 87.. Leveling is so slow.. Why do I torture myself ; ;

[fantasticdan]

Before we make all of these monster pages, I think the template could use some adjustments/additions. The top table should have movespeed and monster size on it. The 'Duration' on the TP ability table would make more sense IMO to replaced by a more universal 'Notes' column that lists things like durations, physical damage types, DoT strength, etc. Range/target type should probably have a column as well. And this is just me being OCD but TP cost being all the way on the right is kinda weird, I would put it between ability name and ability description.

EDIT: The TP ability table should also be renamed 'Monster Skills' like in-game.

Does your slow immunity extend to Elegy? If my theory on how monster resistances work is correct, it won't.

It does. I spent a bunch of time leveling on the brd/blm/mnk/nin yags by the high priest in castle o, and elegy never landed once.

[Gwynplaine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature..._LFw118&t=1314

[dasva]

Something interesting to note that the beetle despite being a pld is highly susceptible to sleep

[fantasticdan]

Well resist job traits work a lot differently than actual resist/meva. AFAIK they just give you an extra roll with a static 'Resist!' chance.

[Chrian]

in the video what were they holding in their hands?

[Blackelement]

Are there any paths that need to be worked on/figured out? I'm just getting around to trying out the content and can focus on something people haven't done much of yet if possible.

Also, is there a list/diagram of how the unlocks progress? I'd like to get peiste eventually and haven't really been keeping up to the date with how the unlocks work.

EDIT: I read that to be able to use a spell as a monster your character needs to know it? I only have blm and rdm to 50, so i won't be able to use any spells normally learned after 50? That's shit.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/117...=1#post5840427 Should be fully what is known to unlock for species and subspecies, so far, unless i missed something in the thread over the last day.. most species has been found now, though a few are still missing (Cerberus, Gnole, Gnat, Bethemoth, Manticore, Adamantoise.. and maybe 1-2 others) so feel free to guess where they come from and go for that

[Squah]

Im gonna be sad if/when I level a BLM monster to 99 and see Meteor in my spell list

[Ambiant]

Looks like x box or similar controller, probly for xbox unit or pc in regards to that jp vid of the 3 ppl playing behemoth. Now how did they unlock it?!!!

[dasva]

Well resist job traits work a lot differently than actual resist/meva. AFAIK they just give you an extra roll with a static 'Resist!' chance.

Yeah but generally because of that pld mobs have crazy chances to resist sleep usually

[fantasticdan]

The traits are tiered thou, I'd be surprised if resist sleep 1 is anything more than 5-10%

[Yugl]

Before we make all of these monster pages, I think the template could use some adjustments/additions. The top table should have movespeed and monster size on it. The 'Duration' on the TP ability table would make more sense IMO to replaced by a more universal 'Notes' column that lists things like durations, physical damage types, DoT strength, etc. Range/target type should probably have a column as well. And this is just me being OCD but TP cost being all the way on the right is kinda weird, I would put it between ability name and ability description.

EDIT: The TP ability table should also be renamed 'Monster Skills' like in-game.



It does. I spent a bunch of time leveling on the brd/blm/mnk/nin yags by the high priest in castle o, and elegy never landed once.

I'll fix the abilities term. Instead of duration, we'll have target type and range. Damage type mechanics should use the individual pages as well as duration/specifics. The list is just a brief overview and the individual pages can give mechanics.

[Yeager]

Looks like x box or similar controller, probly for xbox unit or pc in regards to that jp vid of the 3 ppl playing behemoth. Now how did they unlock it?!!!

JP ONRY BUTTON, of course!

[Raelia]

I can second this, I think. Went to Gusgen at 16 and found a rabbit AoEing all the lower skeletons, so I said fuck it and went to Ghouls (IT). Normal attacks did 40-60 but power attacks did 170+. Leveling to 12 in ronfaure saw 90~ dmg melees at 115~ from Power Attack.

So, it either has a large attack bonus, is blunt damage, or both. I'm leaning towards just the blunt damage bit, though.

I ran DRK+Cactuar+Mandy and Power attack still did a bit more than a normal attack on EP. Probably a STR mod actually since the gap seemed to widen as I leveled.

On that note, though, do we have the glorious 3.0 ratio cap? Can we work back some base damages or something? I'm loading up +85 attack in a few levels and wanna know it's doing work...

[darkhorror]

also need something for attack/def modifier, since different mobs get different bonus when you equip instincts.

[Prothescar]

wouldnt be surprised if monstrosity monsters cap at 4 like normal mobs do. fairly simple test but I need some more instincts to do it properly.

[Raelia]

I've noticed something similar to the 1.0 cRatio 'spike' at a higher point for mobs. Could be 2.0 actually, which would fit with a 4.0 ratio cap. If true, that's a good way to estmate base damage too.

A quick histogram at capped, high, and low ratios could tell us a lot of what we've been missing about mob damage.

Dear diary: Today I put away one of my oldest preconceived notions - Killing a DC doesn't 'reset' your exp chain, you just have to still kill another EM+ in the time limit. Yes, you can kill that BST pet first.

[dasva]

Dear diary: Today I put away one of my oldest preconceived notions - Killing a DC doesn't 'reset' your exp chain, you just have to still kill another EM+ in the time limit. Yes, you can kill that BST pet first.

I could be wrong but I think that was a change awhile back they snuck in

[Asymptotic]

I don't get Demonic Flower. It's the weirdest most useless TP move ever.

[In Flames]

Which instincts would people recommend working towards asap? I only have rabbit to 30 and tiger to 40 currently, and have bought DRG instinct for the acc+. I'm intending on getting WAR and DRK next, but after that i'm not sure. Some easy to get haste/da/ta would be nice.