Monstrosity: Acquiring Species

[fantasticdan]

RDM/WAR would pretty much be the best combo then? Haste/Dia/En-2/Pro/Shell/Cures wrapped up in a bundle with DA, Attack Bonus, et cetera? I can only think of Redfly offhand that is RDM/WAR. How's that handle?

There are a few rdm/war monsters besides fly; red spider, eruca crawler, and the flower sabotender, but really any combination of whm or rdm + war, thf or mnk is going to be tops for leveling.

Red fly is once of the faster things I've leveled, because it's rdm/war and somersault is a decent DD tp move, but this monster (like most) will have no purpose in pvp. Base movement speed and no BS tp moves.

Thf will be a much better melee monster job than war once pvp rolls around, has about the same damage output as war, but the difference in evasion is nuts.

[In Flames]

Do we have any idea as to what combo will be needed to unlock behemoth? I'm working solely on beasts at the moment in order to try and unlock it, so if anyone has any theories as to what it might be, throw them this way.

[Byrthnoth]

All large body Beasts to 60 (possibly including Manticore).

[dasva]

You aren't wrecking things because of defense bonus or resist sleep thou, you're wrecking things because of rhinowrecker + haste + dia + etc. that you get from rdm. Pretty much any other available monster job right now would be helping you notably more.

Actually I was wrecking things without rhinowrecker. Part of it was I didn't really need hardly any healing and I could take on 4 ITs at the same time. A little bit of double attack and attack might help a tiny bit more but it's not like this is bad... now once we get jas yeah it will be crazy difference

[Ligray]

80 Ladybug now still no sign of gnat, hoping its a 90 unlock or something..

[Vriska]

All large body Beasts to 60 (possibly including Manticore).

Don't even joke, I'm having flashbacks.

But yeah it sounds sensible... Ram Marid Buffalo 60. Or more! Beasts seem to be all about dumb high level unlocks.

[fantasticdan]

Actually I was wrecking things without rhinowrecker. Part of it was I didn't really need hardly any healing and I could take on 4 ITs at the same time. A little bit of double attack and attack might help a tiny bit more but it's not like this is bad... now once we get jas yeah it will be crazy difference

You don't need pld to do that is my point, the small amount of defense you're getting from traits isn't making the difference being able to cleave 4 ITs at once and not. Even with those traits, thf and mnk monsters are tankier, in addition to having much better damage output. And if you already have the spells from rdm or whm, the only thing else you're really getting out of it is resist sleep. I'm sure some monsters will be decent even thou they're pld, but as it is, it's never a job you'd really want.

For JAs, I don't know much those will help pld monsters really. In pvp all that shit's just gonna get dispelled.

[Karbuncle]

You don't need pld to do that is my point, the small amount of defense you're getting from traits isn't making the difference being able to cleave 4 ITs at once and not. Even with those traits, thf and mnk monsters are tankier, in addition to having much better damage output. And if you already have the spells from rdm or whm, the only thing else you're really getting out of it is resist sleep. I'm sure some monsters will be decent even thou they're pld, but as it is, it's never a job you'd really want.

For JAs, I don't know much those will help pld monsters really. In pvp all that shit's just gonna get dispelled.

In PVP, I think I'd wager JA's being used more as strategic uses, JA > WS (if JA and WS work the same was as they do for players you can use both very quickly with eachother) or something akin to that.

[In Flames]

All large body Beasts to 60 (possibly including Manticore).

So ram, buffalo and marid to 60? Shit :/ Are the unlock conditions for manticore still up in the air, regardless of that tiger99 and coeurl 99 testimony?

[NynJa]

In pvp all that shit's just gonna get dispelled.

which makes me think that monstrosity PVP is going to consist of this:
who's got the lower ping to cast silence first
whos mob has the faster movement speed to run away.

[Karbuncle]

which makes me think that monstrosity PVP is going to consist of this:
who's got the lower ping to cast silence first
whos mob has the faster movement speed to run away.

Not entirely true. in MvM, Species differential, Instincts, all that will play a huge part. IDK if you've searched the Instinct List, But I can give you a hint. "Resist Silence" +75, and "Resist Silence"+30. Flytrap II, and Cerberus II. BY the time we get PVP we'll probably know how to find Cerberus.

long story short Immunity to silence, and immunity to a fuckton of debuffs if you instinct it right... Anything with a "Resist" trait you can be immune too.

[dasva]

You don't need pld to do that is my point, the small amount of defense you're getting from traits isn't making the difference being able to cleave 4 ITs at once and not. Even with those traits, thf and mnk monsters are tankier, in addition to having much better damage output. And if you already have the spells from rdm or whm, the only thing else you're really getting out of it is resist sleep. I'm sure some monsters will be decent even thou they're pld, but as it is, it's never a job you'd really want.

Well there is also crit def bonus and auto refresh. And flash is what has enabled me to put buffs back up mid fights before. But I'd argue that the damage gains are small as well. Really no way to test out the exact differences now since each mob has it's own characteristics. And I'm hoping they remember plds need shilds thing lol

[Raelia]

RDM/WAR would pretty much be the best combo then? Haste/Dia/En-2/Pro/Shell/Cures wrapped up in a bundle with DA, Attack Bonus, et cetera? I can only think of Redfly offhand that is RDM/WAR. How's that handle?

RDM/DRK actually. Fast Cast traits, Absorb-TP, Dread Spikes with five-digit HP...

[fantasticdan]

Not entirely true. in MvM, Species differential, Instincts, all that will play a huge part. IDK if you've searched the Instinct List, But I can give you a hint. "Resist Silence" +75, and "Resist Silence"+30. Flytrap II, and Cerberus II. BY the time we get PVP we'll probably know how to find Cerberus.

long story short Immunity to silence, and immunity to a fuckton of debuffs if you instinct it right... Anything with a "Resist" trait you can be immune too.

Does that really work? I figured resist traits would cap out at a certain amount. But yeah, they're going to be a huge deal either way. For silence, I think you'd wanna use sch instinct over flytrap in most cases, occult acumen is gonna be a big deal for casters.

RDM/DRK actually. Fast Cast traits, Absorb-TP, Dread Spikes with five-digit HP...

Nothing available with that combo yet, just drk/drks, drk/wars, and drk/blms. Drk looks like it's going to be a pretty strong job thou if there's ever a good job combo/monster for it, even if only for the +12.5 occult acumen, stun, and absorb attribute.

[dasva]

RDM/DRK actually. Fast Cast traits, Absorb-TP, Dread Spikes with five-digit HP...

Hmmm dreadspikes sounds yummy. But so far the job selection is crap.

[Vanderleest]

Is anyone close to 60 for the large beasts yet? I'd guess if someone did it we'd know if it does or doesn't unlock anything by now.

I've been persuaded into unlocking gnole and testing if opo+gnole is a combo since they both branch off the same mob at close levels. I left my Opo at 91, in case anyone wants to level it to 99 for testing.

[Byrthnoth]

So ram, buffalo and marid to 60? Shit :/ Are the unlock conditions for manticore still up in the air, regardless of that tiger99 and coeurl 99 testimony?

That's just my guess, and people think that the Manticore guy was bullshitting because he neglected to mention what coeurl 90 unlocks.

[Vanderleest]

That's just my guess, and people think that the Manticore guy was bullshitting because he neglected to mention what coeurl 90 unlocks.

Personally I can slightly understand the missing of gnole, though it's like a 1% chance. I think the bigger issue was with the other claims in the post. Most of which do not match the .dat files or how any other job is unlocked.

[NynJa]

Not entirely true. in MvM, Species differential, Instincts, all that will play a huge part. IDK if you've searched the Instinct List, But I can give you a hint. "Resist Silence" +75, and "Resist Silence"+30. Flytrap II, and Cerberus II. BY the time we get PVP we'll probably know how to find Cerberus.

long story short Immunity to silence, and immunity to a fuckton of debuffs if you instinct it right... Anything with a "Resist" trait you can be immune too.

Can you truly confirm that having Resist Silence +100 grants you full immunity?

[Karbuncle]

Can you truly confirm that having Resist Silence +100 grants you full immunity?

Nope, But, I'll stand by the assumption it will since no ones reported a cap on "Resist" Traits. They at least go to 80% Resistances as thats on a Scorpion III.