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**Akiyama** · 2013-10-01 01:12

Originally Posted by shepardG

I +1'd my bow, but it was more because i have quint melded griphonskin tunic, I love bard to death, but tonight i went sch to turn 1 and 2 and those fights alone were the funnest healing i think i've ever done in a video game. My FC leader is also a bard by trade, but he went WHM and i can honestly say our problem is the two best bards, are unfortunately, the two best healers.

We litterly kept our parties alive through two back to back missed high voltages, and got ADS down to less than one percent, and someone fucked up the rot rotation cause 2 people were dead. We got done, and litterly we both were like retard pumped that such a thing was even possible...

Then I went brd and we cleared it first attempt >< however, i got Allagan mask of aiming, so was pretty stoked about that.

Day, the difference in +1 and having 1/2 ilvl 90 stuff isn't gonna make or break ya, I did it simply cause I wanted it out of the way, Most likely what will happen is we'll beat turn 5 in a few weeks, and the god damn bow will drop and fuck a duck is what i'll say.

For anyone having apprehension about leveling and playing a healer, it is the quiet hero of this video game. When you can force shit players to succeed, that's saying something.

It says your playing with shit players... I dunno, still pumped at my super hero mask, earring dropped two but it went to the other bard, since i have a quint melded Rose gold in that slot.

quint melded rosegold earring? dayum son, decked out D:

I'm sporting full Darklight + Relic+1 on my DRG, so huuuuge room for improvement. Just need my group to do coil more consistently. Have had some attendance issues

**Rocl** · 2013-10-01 01:56

i dont know whether to +1 my stardust rocl or my omnilex

**Churchill** · 2013-10-01 03:52

Originally Posted by Kiarax

Eh there's a difference between bringing down a group and making the healers have to pay a bit more attention in my eyes. Our groups DPS isn't great so being able to turn off Defiance and pop Berserk for shit like the first Dreadnaught helped a ton for burning it down in time. They all agreed I was bringing far more to turn 4 than the PLD they used last week. I can't deny PLD is outright a better tank but I can't help but feel PLD+WAR is a much better setup for a bunch of situations. That fight is all on the tanks anyway, I don't give a fuck if the healers actually have to put forth some effort, fuckin' crybabies.

less plastered now.

think of it like any time that something goes wrong with healing, or someone dying, etc, you can place some of the blame on yourself because of warriors inherent nature to be shit and grow shittier exponentially if shit hits the fan. obviously healers can do something amazing and save the group, but you're also asking for perfect pro status gameplay every time something happens in that scenario. to me, it's much easier to say "Hey shitbags, do more DPS or get repped" than to say "Hey healers, soak me in that MP sponge".

Turn 4 is also very much about the entire group. DPS has to DPS efficiently, perform what little roles they have to do here and there at the right moment, tanks have to manage cd's properly throughout the gauntlet, healers have to do some of the shittiest healing/mp management i've seen. We have runs where we could heal through the rage timer for 90s, and runs where we're strapped for MP. If someone gets hit too much/too often that isn't a tank, or if you have a Warrior, that MP problem gets significantly more difficult to deal with.

So while I don't doubt you're doing more DPS I think it's shortsighted to say you aren't being carried, even if it's just under the lense of Warrior vs. Paladin.

**Artemis bow is one of the relics that is the better version +1'd, so you can't go wrong with getting it.

**Rocl** · 2013-10-01 04:20

pls respond to my query churchill i only trust you

**Churchill** · 2013-10-01 05:06

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**Rocl** · 2013-10-01 05:23

Originally Posted by Rocl

i dont know whether to +1 my stardust rocl or my omnilex

i made the huge mistake of buying sch af2 body cuz somewhere along the way i thought relics would be time consuming

**Churchill** · 2013-10-01 05:55

idk, i think allagan version of both are better. is sch af2 body better than allagan robe of healing or something?

if you are gonna play sch, spend your points on hero accessories first

**Churchill** · 2013-10-01 06:00

also as you can see we get plenty of tank gear so turn 5 is np

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2157677/

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/1353452/

**Charismatic** · 2013-10-01 06:04

Originally Posted by Churchill

idk, i think allagan version of both are better. is sch af2 body better than allagan robe of healing or something?

Body and legs are both better than allag, but I agree with hero accessories after body

**Churchill** · 2013-10-01 06:08

Originally Posted by Charismatic

Body and legs are both better than allag, but I agree with hero accessories after body

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**Rocl** · 2013-10-01 06:22

Originally Posted by Churchill

idk, i think allagan version of both are better. is sch af2 body better than allagan robe of healing or something?

if you are gonna play sch, spend your points on hero accessories first

For SCH AF2 vs Allagan it's 24 crit vs 17 determination so I opted for crit.

**Rocl** · 2013-10-01 06:24

also the problem with taking allagan weapons into account is lol turn 5 clearing and that i'd need shield+wand to beat blm relic+1 i imagine?

but yeah allagan grimoire of healing is better than omnilex+1 im p sure

**aers** · 2013-10-01 09:07

i +1'd my bow cuz that shit is shiny as fuck and the friends im playing with arent hardcore raiders so we arent exactly pushing coil content so it didnt really matter. also shiny.

**Kiarax** · 2013-10-01 11:34

Originally Posted by Churchill

less plastered now.

think of it like any time that something goes wrong with healing, or someone dying, etc, you can place some of the blame on yourself because of warriors inherent nature to be shit and grow shittier exponentially if shit hits the fan. obviously healers can do something amazing and save the group, but you're also asking for perfect pro status gameplay every time something happens in that scenario. to me, it's much easier to say "Hey shitbags, do more DPS or get repped" than to say "Hey healers, soak me in that MP sponge".

Turn 4 is also very much about the entire group. DPS has to DPS efficiently, perform what little roles they have to do here and there at the right moment, tanks have to manage cd's properly throughout the gauntlet, healers have to do some of the shittiest healing/mp management i've seen. We have runs where we could heal through the rage timer for 90s, and runs where we're strapped for MP. If someone gets hit too much/too often that isn't a tank, or if you have a Warrior, that MP problem gets significantly more difficult to deal with.

So while I don't doubt you're doing more DPS I think it's shortsighted to say you aren't being carried, even if it's just under the lense of Warrior vs. Paladin.

**Artemis bow is one of the relics that is the better version +1'd, so you can't go wrong with getting it.

Well it's bound to happen at some point I'm sure, but every wipe I recall has been a simple case of fucking up slimes or low DPS in turn 1, missing a silence and getting fucked by para in 2, etc. Our turn 4 runs have been sloppy as fuck simply because of lacking DPS and me fucking up drawing aggro because I hadn't memorized spawns yet. Once again I'm not trying to refute that PLD is simply a better tank, because there's no denying that. It's pretty silly to say I'm being carried at all when my extra DPS is what pushed the group to progress further. Sure you can replace DPS until PLD > WAR, but we've no interest in repping people rather than working with what we've got. If I see some substantial benefit to rocking 2x PLD in turn 5 when we attempt it I'll gladly level it, maybe even when our DPS get more i90 gear to make 1-4 easier I'll swap too. But with our current set up and gear my WAR is simply bringing more to the table.

**BerenTebogo** · 2013-10-01 11:50

Could probably be rockin' them WHM deeps if you were on PLD though.

dat stone 2 > WAR

**Charismatic** · 2013-10-01 11:54

Originally Posted by Churchill

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Yes, unless you think 17DTR beats 24CRIT in which case I will laugh hard.

**Kiarax** · 2013-10-01 11:57

Originally Posted by SathFenrir

Could probably be rockin' them WHM deeps if you were on PLD though.

dat stone 2 > WAR

Shit, might aswell just go 1 PLD 1 BRD 6 WHM and Holy burn everything.

**Kiarax** · 2013-10-01 11:58

Originally Posted by Kuroikage

Yes, unless you think 17DTR beats 24CRIT in which case I will laugh hard.

Do crits double shield on Succor? Doesn't say it does and I can never fucking tell.

**BerenTebogo** · 2013-10-01 12:02

Originally Posted by Kiarax

Shit, might aswell just go 1 PLD 1 BRD 6 WHM and Holy burn everything.

The way of the future.

**Charismatic** · 2013-10-01 14:56

Originally Posted by Kiarax

Do crits double shield on Succor? Doesn't say it does and I can never fucking tell.

It does.
Succor just adds the Adloquim effect in an AoE with lower initial potency.

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