Skirmish 2: Equipment

[Karbuncle]

Don't think any "Avatar Perp - X" has been seen on any weapon other than Uffrat+1, so far? There has to be some exception with the unique buffs thing.

I meant kinda in correlation to their Sets and Job types. DD weapons all seem to have the same basic "DMG+, STR/DEX/VIT/AGI, Crit Rate, Dbl Atk, MDB" With Crit/Dbl capping (as far as its known) at +2 Same as the Armor. I.E All Melee-Oriented weapons seem to have the same general stats like i listed above, All mage weapons generally matching a direct Copy > Paste of their Armor counterparts minus some augments.

So forth.

Meh, I wouldn't be so negative. It's not fantastic, but some are pretty nice, others are clearly worse but usually still the next best option after Delve ones.
It's good to catch up, for people who don't do delve or just don't want to spend 30k Plasm.

Kinda, But some are far worse than others. Dagger is sh*t tier due to an 11 base damage nerf, Sword is pretty mediocre compared to Halac with Augments, and outside of I think maybe a handful of weapons, all are beaten by their Delve Counterparts... I think Gun, Polearm, Katana and Possibly Sword fall into this category... (Sword/Polearm losing to MB items of course but sword'll make a good offhand?)

and Delve doesn't involve a convoluted absurd Random-Number-Generator-Augment system thats horrifically rage inducing, which is i think the strongest argument against Skirmish Weapons +1.

See? I'm slightly disappointed here instead.
For melee

Only gonna cut ya there for a second, I think only Cizin Armor truly "sucks" overall... But its good hybrid gear? the other two melee sets seem to have a lot of useable and best-in-slot pieces... from what I've heard anyway, not sure how true it is... I know for a fact the Otri set makes great tanking gear for PUP lol... the Evasion and PDT is awesome.

Plus there are more than 3 sets, which means you'll be able to share the same pieces among less jobs, which means you might not be able to completely replace your previous pieces, which means... inventory space! Damn it

On the inventory woes, yes agreed. Especially since said items are just (EX) so you could make a piece tailored to each job if you needed too which would be heinous on your inventory

I can say I'm pretty happy with the mage stuff, aside from the same "jobs distribution" thing mentioned above, I've seen quite a lot of interesting mage pieces. I deffo do want a few for my SMN at least.

Yah, for SMN and RDM I'm very happy with this stuff, for THF some of the armor has potential, but for the weapons i just find them disappointing. Uffrat+1 is basically a great Melee Perp staff, as it pales to Balsam even with Augments... So getting DMG:+ and Perp-5 is the best use for it lol...

[Sechs]

I meant kinda in correlation to their Sets and Job types.

So Avatar Perp - has been seen on Lehbrailg and Aedold?
Meh...
Doesn't seem so unlikely though, totally realistic they just created 2 common pools of stats.

Dagger is sh*t tier due to an 11 base damage nerf

That nerf was so unnecessary >.>
But even then, find me another dagger that's not Aphotic Kukri or Iziikoh that's better than Leisilonu+1.
(My super awesome DDbrd can't equip Aphotic because SE sucks and hates DD brds!)

(Sword/Polearm losing to MB items of course

Katana too, pretty confident Pamun is better than a perfectly augmented Kannakiri +1.
Not even sure Kanna+1 gonna be better than R15 Kiji but I think it might. Personally I'm liking the idea of using both, one MH and one OH.

and Delve doesn't involve a convoluted absurd Random-Number-Generator-Augment system thats horrifically rage inducing,

Yeah basically their model to keep the event interesting for as long as possible has been "easy access to NQ gear, lot of rage for good augments/stones". I can praise their good intentions, not sure the result is convincing though.
With Delve gear you can save lots of inventory space and with ~4,5m you can make a piece R15 if you want.
How many +2 stones can you buy with ~4,5m? xD

[Toioiz]

The dagger getting augments of Double Attack seem to make up a little for the dmg nerf. But yeah shouldn't have happened.

[Redwolfx]

Crobaci+1 got 27+ DMG STR+10 MDB+1

[Aumaan_Kujata]

Few more augments, fleshes out some of the ranges for +1 stones:


hagondes coat:
+1: pdt-2, petacc/racc+12
+1: pdt-1, petmacc+14
+1: pdt-3, macc+16
+1: pdt-2, magic burst damage +3%
+1: pdt-1, petatk/ratk+22
+1: pdt-1
+1: pdt-2
+1: pdt-2, petatk/ratk+13
+1: pdt-1, enm-3
+1: pdt-2, petacc/racc+22
+1: pdt-4, enm-2

hagondes cuffs:
+1: pdt-2
+1: pdt-2, petatk/ratk+24
+1: pdt-1
nq: pdt-1
nq: pdt-1
nq: pdt-2
nq: pdt-2, petmacc+3
nq: pdt-1, macc+7
nq: pdt-2
nq: pdt-1, mab+4
nq: pdt-1, macc+12
nq: pdt-1

[kenshyn]

Crobaci+1 got 27+ DMG STR+10 MDB+1

whoa now thats not bad at all with a +2 stone?

[Helldemon]

Few more augments, fleshes out some of the ranges for +1 stones:

All my +1 augments look like your NQ augments or worse lol. Though I've only tried about 12 times.

[Slycer]

Skirmish weapon page updated to show accurate lists of all possible augments for each weapon, with all values known so far (add yours in if its not reflected in the tables):

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Category:Skirmish_Weapon


Armor page already had all the possible augments, but I added in some more values (special thanks to Aumaan for the complete lists which also helped to estimate the success rate of getting an augment in the first place).

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Category:Skirmish_Armor

[Taint]

Looking at the page, DA2 (Otro,Cizin) only comes from +2 stones?? Is that confirmed? People are claiming DA2 from +1 stones on Cerberus.

[Slycer]

Looking at the page, DA2 (Otro,Cizin) only comes from +2 stones?? Is that confirmed? People are claiming DA2 from +1 stones on Cerberus.

The page is only based on what I've personally seen posted here or elsewhere, or what other people have edited in themselves. I haven't heard of DA2 on +1 stones, but maybe?

[Squah]

Looking at the page, DA2 (Otro,Cizin) only comes from +2 stones?? Is that confirmed? People are claiming DA2 from +1 stones on Cerberus.

I think that certain augments only become available (or higher tiers of it at least) with higher stones. e.g. Hagondes can get Fast Cast, yet in my 40-50~ NQ stones (and iirc, all the people on here that used NQ stones, none of them got FC either). Maybe it's only available with +1/+2 stones.

[grevenilvec75]

and Delve doesn't involve a convoluted absurd Random-Number-Generator-Augment system thats horrifically rage inducing, which is i think the strongest argument against Skirmish Weapons +1.

What's this? Is this the same Karbuncle that wanted random AF2+2 augments?

[guyonthecouch]

Karbuncle, the only BP:Rage (magic) gears I can see worth swapping in are augged Hagondes Hands/Legs/Feet. Do you agree?

I already use Bokwus head which is Pet MAB/MACC +10, and +2 Body which is 10% more BP damage. You think augged Hagondes Head/Body have potential to beat these two?

[Sechs]

Head yes imho, dunno about body.
And legs uhm... AF3+2 if you have low merit points in those BPs could still be decent? Anybody mathed it out?

[guyonthecouch]

Head yes imho, dunno about body.
And legs uhm... AF3+2 if you have low merit points in those BPs could still be decent? Anybody mathed it out?

What has the potential to beat Bokwus head?

[guyonthecouch]

Are you referring to Summoner's Spats +2? Because Augged Hagondes legs are equal and potentially greater

Edit: i didnt realize you get +5 MACC per merit level, wonder what the max Pet MACC on those legs are with +2 stones...hrmmmm

[Alistaire]

Just saw a beatific shield with pdt-4 and Shield Mastery 2, bg wiki still showing 1 as max.



edit: bah @ bad setting on this pc for picture cropping

[Ihina]

I have serious mixed feelings about this, though overall, it's a net positive. Trying to get +macc on my Hagondes cuffs, so I was spamming NQ stones. One of the augments ended up being was +20MAB. I'm glad because it makes it better than Yaoyotl Gloves, but it's highly unfortunate that the +20mab piece wasn't on head/legs/feet.

And then I get +19macc on my legs when I wanted more MAB; NQ stone. How exactly is SE doing this to me? And why?

[Asymptotic]

Well, think of it this way. It's like a carrot, on a string, at the end of a treadmill. Except the speed and incline of the treadmill are randomly changing, and occasionally a compartment opens up on occasion releases a swarm of angry bees and the only music on your iPod is Katy Perry. And sometimes you get to the carrot and find out it was actually just dried out celery and you don't even have any cream cheese.

[Sechs]

What has the potential to beat Bokwus head?

I was thinking about Hagondes head with a Pet: Mab+25 augment? Even less probably.
Yes you don't get the Pet Macc, but is it so important for the stuff you'd use SMN on with Dashvatara Sash? I'm not affirming this, just wondering. My hunch was that Hagondes with a good augment might have been better than Bokwus.

@Guyonthecouch
No I was talking about Caller's Spats +2.
If you have a lot of merits in a certain Special Blood pact, its bonus is most likely gonna go to waste.
Vice-versa, with less points in there it's more likely that bonus could become useful.
I was wondering the impact of +50% tp on the final damage compared to the pet: mab. Altough I'm confident +25 Pet Mab on Hagondes Legs would likely be king in that slot =/