Skirmish 2: Equipment

[Sechs]

(which is a huge fucking problem and they need to be taken out back and slapped around a bit for doing it for the umpteenth time)

While there's not an universal consensus, I seem to recall that a considerable quantity of JP players liked random augments and random stuff.
Can you confirm this?
In general it is true though, they do like random rewards/random stuff more than western people do, tipically. I remember reading a sociological research some time ago touching the issue and analyzing the different perception of risk/gamble in JP culture and western culture.


Anyway:
Faizeer +1
HQ1 stone: DMG +12, DEX+6, DA+1

Hagondes feet
NQ stone: Pet Macc+7

Hagondes Head:
NQ stone: I can't seem to get anything over +4 MAB. You guys sure you can get up to 20? I wasted over 30 NQ stones already and all I get is 1, 2, 3 and 4. Yes I know ~30 is not a statistically relevant number, I'm just asking for a confirmation.

[Sechs]

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http://cdn.guildwork.net/albums/imag...50dfa7f75c.jpg

First I've seen of both HP & MP and a PDT augment

Probably "+XX HP/MP" is considered a single stat by the game?

[ChronicCettness]

Did i mention it would be purely for a DD Set that could maintain Free Avatars ⌐ ⌐? I think i did!






So yah, I pretty much agree with what you're saying here, just pointing out I mentioned it! As far as the leg options go, Lets assume PET:MAB can go to +29 Like we've seen in regular MAB+... Would +29MAB Beat 50TP on a Magical BP? Anyone able to roughly math that out? Assume a Non-resistant Target... I can't math to figure it out, sorry.

And as far as Hands go, Its +5%BP Damage vs 20~30MAB., I think I'd lean on the MAB TBH. But this is just me hoping I don't ever have a reason to do Legion/VW Again... lol

I don't yet have MAB hands, but I did a comparison of PET : MAB +20(my hat) vs Spurrina Gages against the mandies in Ceiziak. MAB win by about 100 dmg. (Due to Caller's Doublet / Esper Earring/ Any other BP dmg you use amplifying the flat rate dmg.)

My current set up will differ from what you are both trying to achieve ... my Hagondes pants are Perp -5 PDT-3 , which is all the perp i need with Nirvana and Evoker's for a free pet lol.

Though I'll toss in my two cents on the Hagondes vs Caller's spats +2. I once did a comparison on Ngen seraweels vs CS +2, Ngen Seraweels would be more effective than the TP Bonus +50 once your avatar breached a certain % of TP. Meaning you'd need a 5/5 Merit bp (160 tp) + 50 tp(from the pants) + x Tp , x being your avatar's TP between 90 and 140. Honestly I wanna say it was somehwere around 118 tp when my set up started showing Ngen seraweels pulling ahead. (Meaning when you reduce the effectiveness of the TP bonus because you've already reached 300% TP cap with TP bonuses included.

ANYWAY, I have a feeling that if Spurrina Gages +5% boost got beat out by +20 MAB that will go for Ngen seraweels as well at instances of "high TP" (when caller's spats won't be useful) so you'll likely need both TBH. I'll play around with the actual numbers tonight though if it'd make ya comfortable.

P.S. Still need Suprrina Gages for best Melee BP set, so tough!

[dasva]

Don't really need to test on mobs for mab vs bp dmg. Simply multiply your avatars MAB and your bp dmg on each set and see which is higher. tp bonus is a tad harder cause you'd have to consider the avatars tp as well as dint on top of the other stats you are comparing like mab or bp dmg

[IceSylph]

Just used a +1 stone on Otronif boots. Got PDT-3 and ATK+10. Wiki says 7 attack is max. I'll post a screenshot when I can.

[Sechs]

So are you saying that Caller's Spats +2 are still gonna beat Hagondes with ~MAB? As long as you don't "waste" the +50TP? Uhm that's unexpected.
Currently I have 3+3+4 BP merits in Garuda, Shiva and Ramuh respectively.
I was considering going 2 x 5. Getting 5 BPs to 2 and leaving one out.
Which setup are you using for #2 merits? Ungh... I should open a new thread maybe.

[Lyramion]

NQ Stone Hagondes Coat left me with MAB+1... so 3 is not the worst you can get orz

[Sechs]

Assuming augments are really the same (and same potency) for all 5 pieces, I got more MAB+1 than I want to remember, and several +2s as well, and a single +4 is my current best. Head slot, NQ stone.

[Aemora]

I've only used NQ stones on my Hagondes set, and I have not spent more than 5 on each piece and have gotten:

Body: MAB+11 PDT-1
Hands: Pet:MAB+19 PDT-1
Legs: MAB+13 PDT-1
Feet: MAB+17 PDT-1

All my +1 and +2s I spend into the Melee sets because DblAtk is rarer than any range of MAB. Once I've finished augmenting my melee sets with best they can get, then I'll turn to upgrading these augments (might try another set of hands in the meantime though).

[Slycer]

@Shield, I think HP and MP is the same augment. I'll update the wiki (it's always HP and MP with the same value, so it almost definitely is the same thing).

[Sechs]

and I have not spent more than 5 on each piece and have gotten:

/hate

[Slycer]

Also, I'm like 95% sure based on all of the accounts I've read that the augment values that are possible are exactly the same for every piece of armor within a set.

It's also extremely likely that the augment values on weapons are all exactly the same ranges except for DMG+.

[Slycer]

Oh, also, I stopped adding my own accounts here because I keep adding them to the wiki, but it's worth noting that NQ stone can go up to at least Cure Potency +4% on Gendewitha (previous highest I had seen was 3% until I hit the 4% myself).

[Kidnoftle]

163 +2s later and my ls leader still hasn't gotten a single DA2. Seems like its not even worth it to try for epic sam build :C. I'm currently 0/12 on +2s for a DA2 aug as well, but I guess that's pretty much par. Fuuuucckkkk this.

[Taint]

163 +2s later and my ls leader still hasn't gotten a single DA2. Seems like its not even worth it to try for epic sam build :C. I'm currently 0/12 on +2s for a DA2 aug as well, but I guess that's pretty much par. Fuuuucckkkk this.

RNG is a bitch in this game.

I'm at 3/15ish for DA2 pieces. (Otro hands,feet Cizin legs) 4 more DA pieces to go >< (Otro x5 for SAM and Cizin Hands/Legs for WAR/DRK)

[Cairthenn]

163 +2s later and my ls leader still hasn't gotten a single DA2. Seems like its not even worth it to try for epic sam build :C. I'm currently 0/12 on +2s for a DA2 aug as well, but I guess that's pretty much par. Fuuuucckkkk this.

4/5 DA+2 on Otronif with just under 30 stones. <.<

[Fake]

42(ish) stones and a single piece with +1 DA, die.

[Fwahm]

4 +2 stones, and gotten 1 DA+1 and 1 DA+2

[Ruhi]

Wow, yeah now I know I got lucky as hell on Otro hands/feet - 1/1 on both. Now if I could just get some decent MAB on Hagondes I'd be good. Any idea what kind of cure potentcy can be expected out of Gendewitha Caubeen? I managed +5% out of a +1 stone.

Also, has it been established what kind of Perp. cost reduction I can hope for out of Uffrat/+1 ? BG Wiki is still missing a lot of this info.

[Slycer]

Also, has it been established what kind of Perp. cost reduction I can hope for out of Uffrat/+1 ? BG Wiki is still missing a lot of this info.

I would guess it's the same as the Hagondes set, so at least up to Avatar Perp-5, possibly 6 on +2 stone, but the highest I've seen so far has been 5. As far as cure potency goes, the highest seen so far I think has been 8%.