The crafting & gathering thread.

[Spider-Dan]

Well this is some horseshit.

The item for turn in was Adamantite Broadsword, Starred, for 80 scrips per at base.

I level from 58-59 while making them and this happens:

I've been screwed over by that before. I started calculating the number of turn-ins to ding, then crafting one less than that.

[Buffy]

When I was levelling, once I hit 56 I calculated the number I needed to hit 60 and made that many. Then you can get your book and have extra left over!

[Ratatapa]

Game keep prposing me Noble Codex, I have 1 more refresh before Red scrip reset, and we have alex tomorrow, think i'll just farm something else

[Buffy]

What's wrong with Noble Codex? It's one of the cheapest red script recipes.

[Niiro]

Self-quote:

So.

The lvl 58 BSM quest requires you to turn in an HQ titanium lump hammer......and rewards you with......an NQ one.

I'm sitting here with the hammer made in my inventory and the distinct feeling that I'm being trolled.

To continue this little story:

Since I was using an HQ lvl 55 hammer at the time, the HQ lvl 57 hammer you had to hand over for the quest was an upgrade, so I just told Gerolt (you have to make the hammer for Gerolt) to screw off, and proceeded to use the hammer I made for the quest.

Skip ahead a few days, I'm 59 @ 450k tnl with the quest still sitting in my log, the quest gives 480k, but I'd need to hand over the hammer I was still using.

So I made the lvl 60 hammer using the lvl 57 hammer, turned in the lvl 57 hammer for the quest completion which dinged me to 60, and could use my brand new hammer.

HA, suck on that, devs.

[Ratatapa]

What's wrong with Noble Codex? It's one of the cheapest red script recipes.

Meh Felt like Planisphere was easier for me to get

[Raldo]

Self-quote:


To continue this little story:

Since I was using an HQ lvl 55 hammer at the time, the HQ lvl 57 hammer you had to hand over for the quest was an upgrade, so I just told Gerolt (you have to make the hammer for Gerolt) to screw off, and proceeded to use the hammer I made for the quest.

Skip ahead a few days, I'm 59 @ 450k tnl with the quest still sitting in my log, the quest gives 480k, but I'd need to hand over the hammer I was still using.

So I made the lvl 60 hammer using the lvl 57 hammer, turned in the lvl 57 hammer for the quest completion which dinged me to 60, and could use my brand new hammer.

HA, suck on that, devs.

lol, nice! I thought to do this for a couple of my tools that were BSM leve turn-ins, but I didn't think to do it to that quest

[Deathbringer]

Not sure if anyone saw this reddit post but man.. I feel for them.

Spoiler: show

As bad as that is to see, I'm curious what rotation that person was using. I'm about to try making one of the tool instead of just buying the scrip version.

[oathofchaos]

Hey guys, Kraval here, and back with more data!

So, it seems that the current numbers are off by a decent amount. I'm still working on the spreadsheet (here, and I'm inputting as much raw data as I can on page 2 to try to create as rounded of an equation as I can for this.

So! Lets start off:
The following data assumes Character.Level (clvl) equals Synthesis Level (slvl)

Spoiler: show

Raw Data:
Control	Quality	Character Level
0	33	58
3	34	58
6	35	58
7	35	58
8	35	58
9	36	58
10	36	58
12	37	58
436	186	55
442	189	55
519	216	58
522	217	58
525	218	58
622	254	60
630	257	58
652	265	60
726	294	60
735	297	58
782	315	60
830	334	60
934	375	58
1043	418	60
1044	419	60
639	261	58
533	221	58
746	302	58
852	343	58
959	385	58
107	72	15
128	80	15
149	88	15
171	96	15
192	103	15
256	127	15

Which, according to this data, shows the data to behave quite differently than previous predictions (at clvl=slvl). In fact, it would almost assume that it scales separately for 51-60 synths only. This means that we'll have to find a correlation for each set, Heavensward and ARR.

The data taken above includes data taken from clvl 15, 55, 58, and 60. On the second page of the link above, it shows the data breakdown, and the linear regression statistics for all synths, for 51-60, and for the level 15 ones.

I'll update with more data as I get it, including the equations (which the equations are listed in the spreadsheet, but until I get something nailed down concretely, I don't want to hard chisel anything into stone.

[oathofchaos]

Also, just for time's sake, using the data above (for only clvl >= 51), here is the linear regression data:

SUMMARY OUTPUT	For 51-60							
								
Regression Statistics								
Multiple R	0.9996671876							
R Square	0.999334486							
Adjusted R Square	0.9993088894							
Standard Error	3.456283801							
Observations	28							
								
ANOVA								
	df	SS	MS	F	Significance F			
Regression	1	466386.3709	466386.3709	39041.55067	0			
Residual	26	310.5933406	11.94589772					
Total	27	466696.9643						
								
	Coefficients	Standard Error	t Stat	P-value	Lower 95%	Upper 95%	Lower 95%	Upper 95%
Intercept	30.41514084	1.1438887	26.58924844	0	28.06384397	32.76643772	28.06384397	32.76643772
X Variable 1	0.365202872	0.001848292302	197.5893486	0	0.3614036528	0.3690020912	0.3614036528	0.3690020912

[oathofchaos]

Hey there kiddos,

So, after gathering even more data, and with the help of a few friends, we noticed that the trend looks more quadratic than linear. We have a new formula that seems to actually fit the model much nicer than before:

Base.Quality = round(( 0.00003311 * Control^2 + 0.335 * Control) +32.898)
For all Control where Character.Level = Synthesis.Level, and Character.Level >= 51

Do with it what you will

[Buffy]

Data is great and all, but do you have a craftsmanship formula for 60** items? Because that's the only hard to make (guaranteed HQ*) items in the game atm.

[oathofchaos]

I should soon, hopefully by the weekend. With the help of Reddit and my FC, I'm taking the data and getting it digested properly so we can figure out trendlines at even synth level, and then extrapolate to the 60** HQ items

[Ratatapa]

How much perception would i need to hit collectivity 530?

Best I can do atm is 507 with 571 perception

[Niiro]

No one can really help you with that if you don't specify the level of the target item.

[Ratatapa]

Fine, the item you need to buy the new tools

Exemple Chrysal Green for BTN weapon

[Fredjan]

If your Methodical Appraisals net at least 106 rarity, you should be able to reach 530 with Utmost Caution > Methodical > Utmost Caution > Methodical > Discerning Eye > Methodical > Discerning Eye > Methodical.

[Raldo]

Pretty sure you can do hit the required values with no melds at all, but all the Lv60/59 HQ gear.

[layoneil]

this gives me the highest for a single item

Utmost Caution >Impulsive Appraisal >Utmost Caution > Impulsive Appraisal > Utmost Caution > Instinctual Appraisal > Discerning Eye > Utmost Caution > Instinctual Appraisal

[Raldo]

If your Methodical Appraisals net at least 106 rarity, you should be able to reach 530 with Utmost Caution > Methodical > Utmost Caution > Methodical > Discerning Eye > Methodical > Discerning Eye > Methodical.

100% reliable: 1.0 + 1.0 + 1.5 + 1.5 = 5.0x

this gives me the highest for a single item

Utmost Caution >Impulsive Appraisal >Utmost Caution > Impulsive Appraisal > Utmost Caution > Instinctual Appraisal > Discerning Eye > Utmost Caution > Instinctual Appraisal

WORST: 0.9 + 0.9 + 0.8 + 1.2 = 3.8x
BEST: 0.9 + 1.45 + 2.25 + 2.25 = 6.85x

While your suggestion may have a higher BEST value, the WORST possible result is far too inferior. There's no point in getting a collectable of that value anyway, so I would suggest using the top option, which gets the required collectability 100% of the time. The only time anyone should ever bother with the latter option is if your perception is shit, or if they introduce new collectability requirements in the future.