Wildskeeper Reive Reduction Theory

[Shazam]

Preamble:
I understand some of this discussion is in the colonization thread. However I wanted to seperate it for ease of search and I wanted to share my theory which has added up with 95% of the people I have asked to participate. (The 5% which didn't match up (1 person out of 20), I'm assuming he's not giving me the right info but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt).
Okay, I have the final, non-debateable number/equation for WKR reductions. If you think I am wrong, you have to prove it.

WKR reductions don't count until you receive Dinner invite ( and are able to buy WKR KI ).

(The below is true only after you have receive the Dinner Invitation KI)

First Reduction : 3 Rank Ups at any coalition.
Second reduction: 3 Rank ups after 1st WKR reduction.
Third reduction: 3 Rank ups after 2nd WKR reduction.
Fourth Reduction: 3 Rank ups after 3rd WKR reduction.
Fifth reduction: 3 Rank ups after 4th WKR reduction.

What this means in amount of imps used total including those spent on Dinner Invitation:
Minimum: 350-360 (depending on how much used for dinner invite, all coalitions @ contributor).
Maximum 380-390 (if you spent all your imps into 3 coalitions after your dinner invite).

If you distributed your IMPs amongst all 6 coalitions equally, you would have max reduction with each rank @ Contributor (4th rank, 3 rank ups required to reach from Petitioner)

My Main Char as an example:
Advisor Rank @ Pioneer's = 2 Rank ups (3 went towards dinner invite) = 5 Total
Advisor Rank @ Scout's = 5 Rank Ups
Contributor @ Courier's = 3 Rank Ups.

Have 10 Rank ups, received my 4th Reduction right after i hit disciple in Courier's.

So at this point you are probably thinking... you need 12 Rank ups to get 4th reduction according to your theory Mr. Shazamster.

What I Failed to mention, is that Every 25 Quests you complete (complete for the first time), this also counts as a Rank Up.
I have over 50 quests completed in Adoulin.

This gives me 12 Rank up points, and 4 WKR reduction.
As soon as I complete Courier's to Advisor I will have my 5th.


DEBATE, debunk, add to proof please.
Please check if this matches up with your character.

[Fwahm]

I got my 5th price reduction without going up a rank, nor doing any quests.

[dasva]

Ok so dinner invite is 50 or basically 2 and a half rank ups since all ranks that low are 20. I'm an advisor in 3 and 30 imps into my 4th. That is 16.5 rank ups total or 14 since dinner invite. I also have 70 quests done so should put me at 16 still at 4 reductions

[Shazam]

Can you provide a little more detail?

What is your coalition standing with each coalition, and how many quests have you completed overall in adouline.
How many Imps total have you spent?

[Shazam]

Ok so dinner invite is 50 or basically 2 and a half rank ups since all ranks that low are 20. I'm an advisor in 3 and 30 imps into my 4th. That is 16.5 rank ups total or 14 since dinner invite. I also have 70 quests done so should put me at 16 still at 4 reductions

The rank ups you got for dinner invite don't count, neither does the partial rank up.

You have 2 Rank ups that count from Pioneer's. 5 From 2nd advisor, and 5 from the 3rd one.

Thats 12 Rank up points.

You are sitting at 14 Rank up points at the moment, 12 from coalitions, 2 from 50+quest but under 75.

Still fits.

[dasva]

I subtracted those out. But even if you don't count partials that would still put me at 15. You completely ignored that I'm 30 into my 4th coalition. So I'm at 15 even with rounding down partials twice (which you don't mention in your theory btw) and it doesn't fit. Also if you going to use partials don't count you should put that. Because if a person goes from 30 imps used to 50 most people would consider that a rank up not 0

[Shazam]

I wonder why quests matter for me but not for you?
Then again I've done atleast 40+ repeatables so that might be influencing my rank up.
Fucking weird.

[dasva]

Quests do matter for me. I got my first reduction doing quests

[Shazam]

I still believe Imps spent on lower coalitions has more value towards rank up than imps sent on rank Contributer+.
This is how I came to the conclusion rank ups were the hidden factor.

However many it is amount of imps spent = points. 60 points for first 3 rank ups. 1 imp = 1 point. At which point(lol) where 25 imps are required to rank up, 1 imp = 0.8 points.

First 3 rank ups gives you 60 points. (for 60 imps)
Last 2 rank ups gives you 40 Points. (for 50 imps)

1 Advisor from scratch = 100 Points.
1 Contributor from scratch = 60 points.

60 x 5 = 300 Points ( all 5 coalitions, not pioneer's (used for dinner invite) )
300(points) Imps total for 5 reductions.


Same amount of imps spent.. but into 3 coalitions (not pioneer's).
60 + 40 (110 Imps) = 100 Points
60 + 40 (110 Imps) = 100 Points
60 + 16 (80 Imps) = 76 Points .
276(points) Imps total for 4 reductions.


According to the system above you have:
200 Points from the 2 Advisor coalition from scratch.
50 Points from your Pioneer's coalition. (10 after your dinner invite to contributor, and 40 points to advisor)
30+ Points into your 4th Coalition.

Which puts you at 280+ points.

Maybe then quests have a much more marginal onput on rank ups. something like 10 quests = 1 points?
Which would put you at 287 points.

Use 13 more imps into that 4th coalition and let me know if you get your 5th decrease please. (might take acouple days i know)

I'll go home and try this system on my char. (I might be giving too much credit to quests completed in my original theory).

[dasva]

Not sure why you keep putting pioneers since that isn't one of the ones I've done. But yes it's there is a definite bias towards leveling multiple coalitions most likely due to lower ranks being worth more. I can say that since I've litterally spent more imps torwards upgrades than was possible til recently lol

The discrepancy may be those repeatibles as I haven't repeated most repeatibles or maybe another factor. Like how many different assignments have you completed. That might also explain the bias towards multiple coalitions. At work right now so I can't count my quests but I've done all but geo af which I think is 3 and iirc the bg wiki page says 74 quests. Can't check coalition right nwo though

Also been thinking maybe some coalitions are worth more. Since you keep mentioning pioneers and I haven't done them at all

Edit: Also another possibility is that quests like imps might not be the number done so much as how much of the total. So like how no matter how many imps you use doesn't matter so much as how much of a rank you've done it might be how many of the total quests you've done. Like say your 2 rank up points might be for having at least as many quests done as there are different quests (repeatibles probably counting less than first attempts but similar idea). This might explain some oddities comparing people who got 5 before the update and people not after. Like you went from full credit on quest to half credit because a bunch were added...

Either way I got 13 imps to spend tonight I think and I can do the geo afs and a couple repeatibles to see if that helps compared to my mules who wont have done repeatibles or any af

[Shazam]

dasva: I mentioned PIonner's because I assume that's where you spent your IMPS to get Dinner invite. (I thought it was a requirement, guess not lol)

I always thought that doing a coalition assignment for the first time gave more than repeating it but couldn't confirm it.

Either way if more people get together and show us their numbers and what they've done we might be able to finally piece it together.

[Sechs]

I got my 5th price reduction without going up a rank, nor doing any quests.

Happened twice to me, for the third and fourth reduction if I recall.
Happened to several other people.

As it has been said in the colo thread *imho* it's pretty clear the game applies a double (triple? multiple?) check.
Number of imprimaturs spent (after invitation) is one thing that gets checked, but this alone is not enough.
You need to get a certain amount of rankups as well, otherwise the number of imp spent won't count (and this explains why some people were spending >70 Imp without getting reduction).
If you got enough rankups since last reduciton (might as well be 3 as you hypothized) and you spent ~50 Imprimaturs then you're gonna get reduction.

I didn't perfectly count all of my reduction and probably had to spend ~60 for the last 2 reductions, but for the second and third I counted and it was exactely after turning in the 50th.


In this whole scenario you should consider also that Fame/Quests play a part as well, somehow. Some people did get a reduction without ranking up, without using imprimaturs, but simply doing a couple of quests.
This furtherly enforces my "double check" theory. Those guys probably had already met the ~50 Imprimaturs requirement, but they weren't getting the reduction because they were missing the secondary requirement, which appearently is connected to Rankups/Coalitionranks and/or Fame.

[Malithar]

I got my 5th price reduction without going up a rank, nor doing any quests.

Same here. Got my final reduction prior to the update allowing Coalitions to increase to rank 4. Got it 3 imps after hitting Disciple in my final Coalition.

TBH, everyone has a theory or way they think this shit works, wish BG would just autoban for "I have a theory..." End of the day, do your quests, use your imps towards ranking up Coalitions, and you'll see a reduction. Its really a dead horse that just won't stay down at this point. :/ Nevermind the pages upon pages of shit in the Colonization thread.

[dasva]

Yeah it's clear partials count... would be nice to nail it down but things like this is definitely how it works if your personal experience is different you're wrong also don't help. That said it's rather annoying to have done many more quests than were available and more imps used to ranking than when people first started reporting 5 reductions. Knowing SE and given how many different combos people have gotten there reductions in I'd say the exact formula is likely so complicated and convoluted that it probably wont be nailed down. Especially if the goalpost keep being put farther back like I suspect each update.

[sahearniitth]

Quests do count or provide some sort of reduction for tags used up for a reduction in WKR price. I have had a reduction happen by just doing quests on an alt when I was storing up tags to use. This is similar IMO to how your quests completed/fame has an effect on the number of tags which need to be used up for some mission CS.

Whole ranks are 100% not required. I have gotten reductions multiple times in between rank ups. You also don't NEED to spread your tags around (although that might make it easier as some people are saying) as I got my max reduction on 1 char by having advisor in 3 coalitions, probationer in another and not having done any assignments for Inventors/Mummers. This char did have all quests done (that count for library) and RUN path quests done, but nothing on GEO path other than unlocking the job.

One thing I have wondered about is if actual WKR kills contribute towards the lowering cost.

[Shazam]

Same here. Got my final reduction prior to the update allowing Coalitions to increase to rank 4. Got it 3 imps after hitting Disciple in my final Coalition.

TBH, everyone has a theory or way they think this shit works, wish BG would just autoban for "I have a theory..." End of the day, do your quests, use your imps towards ranking up Coalitions, and you'll see a reduction. Its really a dead horse that just won't stay down at this point. :/ Nevermind the pages upon pages of shit in the Colonization thread.

Wow thank god not everyone is so pessimistic, nothing would ever get figured out.
Thanks for contributing to the post, and the theory/equation.

If it's a dead horse, than god please share with us your almighty knowledge on the triggers that grant reductions.

BG is a community that wants answers and does work to get it, we don't just:

"End of the day do your quests, use your imps, and eventually youll get it."

We want concrete numbers and concrete triggers for certain conditions.

If you don't like it, then dont't post here, simple.

This is exactly why they got rid of the Random questions thread. So we can start discussions that are about 1 topic. Easy to find.

[Treize Kordero]

Just to add in my info.

I'm Partner @ Pioneer's Coalition and I'm only Fame lvl 3 in quests. I don't know the number of quests I've done at the moment.

No reductions.

[cdgreg]

Can Adoulin fame go beyond rank 5 at the current time?

[Damane]

Wow thank god not everyone is so pessimistic, nothing would ever get figured out.
Thanks for contributing to the post, and the theory/equation.

If it's a dead horse, than god please share with us your almighty knowledge on the triggers that grant reductions.

BG is a community that wants answers and does work to get it, we don't just:

"End of the day do your quests, use your imps, and eventually youll get it."

We want concrete numbers and concrete triggers for certain conditions.

If you don't like it, then dont't post here, simple.

This is exactly why they got rid of the Random questions thread. So we can start discussions that are about 1 topic. Easy to find.

In all honest, why would concret numbers matter? just go out do quests and use your imps on different coal, proceed in missions and you will get the discounts one after another. I really just think its number of imps used in combination with fame/quests done and possible rank ups. shit is contradicting itself everywhere, just go do the stuff.

[Classikmage]

Can Adoulin fame go beyond rank 5 at the current time?

I've been doing about 5 weekly quests for about a month straight(maybe a bit more) and haven't seen myself jump past Fame 5, yet. :/


Also, I'm Fame 5 on quests, Advisor Rank in Pioneers'/Couriers'/Inventors', Petitioner in Scouts'/Peacekeepers', and just hit Probationer today on Mummers' and still haven't seen my final reduction. still sitting at 30k/55k.