Bard Detail

[cdgreg]

Noob brd question. BRD is my first job to 50, I just cleared Syrcus for the first time last night and WoD dungeon for the first time this evening. In short, for your standard duty finder dungeons, what should I keep up song wise? I've pretty much just been keeping ballad on the mages and that's it. What else should I be singing? Thanks!

[Deadgye]

I only ballad or paeon in between pulls for dungeons. Requiem for the casters or healers while actually fighting.

Of course if the situation calls for it it'll Paeon or Ballad, but those definitely aren't my default song.

[Hiryo]

I've pretty much just been keeping ballad on the mages and that's it.

Dungeon running: Imo you should really only ballad whm's if they are spamming Holy, and that is only after the monsters are dead and you still have mp after requiem. ACN doesn't need ballad in dungeons because the mp regen between fights is more than the # of spells they cast. BLM doesn't need ballad because MP regen is part of their kit(umbral ice). PLD may ask for ballad but that's not a playstyle you should encourage (believe it or not but this DOES exist...).

[Seravi Edalborez]

Yeah, if you need to Ballad in 4man dungeon something is really wrong.

Don't think of BRD as any kind of support class. It isn't. It's a full-stop DPS that happens to have some support elements. Ballad/Paeon should not be regularly used, only when needed. Requiem can (should) be used more freely and pretty much all the time in any easy content regardless of the number of caster DPS (unless healer is a vegetable).

Only time you should be playing no song in a fight is if you "need" to save the MP for a maybe-Ballad or maybe-Paeon. Requiem is life.

[Raldo]

Only time you should be playing no song in a fight is if you "need" to save the MP for a maybe-Ballad or maybe-Paeon. Requiem is life.

Side note to this however, please don't play Foe Requiem in the 2nd boss fight of Amdapor City (Township? Whatever it is. Not Keep.) You'll aggro the junk moths that the DPS should be ignoring.

[Niiro]

Tbh that's something they need to change about Req, only make it apply to mobs the BRD has hate on already.

It shouldn't be able to aggro stuff.

[Spider-Dan]

Most of BRD's support function is MP management, in that you should ideally always be either using MP or regenerating it.

In content with a lot of uninterrupted DPS (e.g. T4, T8, T11) it's good to have a rotation so you know what MP you'll be at during specific phases and can plan songs accordingly. That being said, if I'm going hard on MP usage then I try to avoid using meds, so I can pop an x-ether and Ballad in an emergency.

[Niiro]

Generally speaking you open every fight with Foes till you're out of MP.

By the time people would need TP and/or MP enough of your MP will have regenerated to sing paeon or ballad.

[Spider-Dan]

Generally I agree, however there are certain fights where you want to have BV Foe up for a certain phase (e.g. T10 second adds), so you might be singing Foe and Paeon in modified spurts to make sure you have enough 1000 MP for the full BV.

[cdgreg]

Thanks for the feedback everyone, I was relying on my xi knowledge and the occasional healer who asked for ballad. This definitely helps.

[Judai]

Tbh that's something they need to change about Req, only make it apply to mobs the BRD has hate on already.

It shouldn't be able to aggro stuff.

Please no, then I actually have to attack every single mob before Foe's works, which would be dumb. There are plenty of mobs I don't care about and don't need to damage, that foe's can help on while the blm is AOEing. (ie T13 Gusts, Back to T4 when it was relevant, I have to hit all Knights and Soldiers? dumb) Just use your brain when singing.

Generally I agree, however there are certain fights where you want to have BV Foe up for a certain phase (e.g. T10 second adds), so you might be singing Foe and Paeon in modified spurts to make sure you have enough 1000 MP for the full BV.

I have never needed or used BV Foe's for T10 second adds. I usually save my second BV for Ballad if it's needed, so I don't have to cast it more then once.

[Niiro]

Fine, only make it apply to engaged mobs*

[Yukari]

Well, the mobs in raids actually gain aggro to you on spawn, so requiem would affect them normally, right?

[Spider-Dan]

During a boss encounter, mobs spawn with the entire party on their aggro list anyway. There are some exceptions (e.g. Luminescence in AK Hard Boogyman fight) but they are generally things that you delay killing as a mechanic.

[Niiro]

When the Lumin thing is engaged tho I assume everyone automatically gets put on the aggro list.

Either way, the idea is that songs shouldn't be able to pull/aggro/engage enemies that are passive.

[cdgreg]

Regarding Foe Requiem, "Effect is lost if targets move out of hearing distance." How is hearing distance defined? Is there a helpful distance plugin like ffxi and a simple number that is the static definition of hearing distance?

[Kaisha]

20 yalm radius from your position. Can put a 15 & 20 yalm-limit skills (Shield Lob + Jump) in your Action Bar as distance notifiers from your current target if need be.

[Marsh Mallow]

Hi.. probably a bit late to the party with this now but I'm interested for other reasons. I'm Marsh from Excal - play on PS4. I don't parse obviously but get parsed and someone sent me this from our T13 last night (pre 10% nerf).

I don't understand why the title doesn't state the length of the fight like in other parses I have seen online... Anyone know why? Just says 00:00 even though the duration next to our names is 11min+

[Dammerung]

Because whoever parsed that has encounter culling set too low so the fight is split.

[Classikmage]

Started back up early this week, just got Amon's Hat today as my first upgrade in almost a year... I can definitely say this hat is awesome looking as ever.... once I upgrade past it, it's easily going in a glamour set. XD