Bard Detail

**Deadgye** · 2013-12-11 20:21

They're kind of all over the place with "what they're doing". They're apparently taking a cross class ability from bard that doesn't affect our damage much but has utility and are giving it to another class, in order to slightly reduce out damage. Or something.

**solracht** · 2013-12-11 20:23

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1650615

Greetings, everyone!

Based on fan translations of the interview Famitsu held with Yoshi-P recently, there seems to be a misconception about what was said regarding bard adjustments in 2.1. Contrary to the rumor that an ability would be taken away from bard and moved to a different job, bard will not be losing a main ability.

This confusion appears to stem from Yoshi-P comparing party formations to a puzzle and the jobs being the puzzle pieces. The goal for balancing the game is to make sure that no single job could complete the puzzle alone, and he feels that bard was given too many pieces of the puzzle.

**Voyage1970** · 2013-12-11 20:28

That still doesn't really clarify anything. So BRD was given "Too many pieces of the puzzle". I assume that means he's removing some "pieces" from BRD. But aside from Utility and Damage what else does BRD have going for it that you could remove to lessen it's burden? And how would removing something from BRD but not giving other jobs anything new shift the balance? Or is he saying like BRD has 2 puzzle pieces for damage and 1 for Utility giving 3 pieces total when other jobs are meant to have 2 pieces total. So they are removing one of the damage pieces so they are more in line with the contribution of other jobs. Like DRG would be 2 damage pieces and nothing else and WHM would be 2 healer pieces, etc. etc.

**Obsidian** · 2013-12-11 21:09

Clearly they're taking the healing aspect away by robbing you of your amazing Healer LB and giving you a crappy DPS limit instead.

**Rocl** · 2013-12-11 21:20

Originally Posted by solracht

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1650615

Slycer fucking up SE's day

**chichicha** · 2013-12-11 23:13

They are probably letting other classes to use Blunt Arrow, so that Bard is not under high demanding for certain battle lolz

**Niiro** · 2013-12-12 01:25

What is with people and Blunt Arrow?

It's useful for ADS and....that's it.

**Deadgye** · 2013-12-12 01:39

I make use of it in AK on the psychoflayer and the succubi. And of course Chimera. Besides that yeah pretty much just turn 2. But it's important enough in turn 2 that imagining not having it makes me cringe. Currently I rotate silence with the paladin. If I couldn't silence then the paladin would have to rotate with.... the scholar or a monk?

**Spider-Dan** · 2013-12-12 02:12

Originally Posted by Niiro

What is with people and Blunt Arrow?

It's useful for ADS and....that's it.

It makes BRD essentially a required job for the first two turns of coil.

**gaogaostegosaurus** · 2013-12-12 02:16

Originally Posted by Spider-Dan

It makes BRD essentially a required job for the first two turns of coil.

Pretty much need one, and having two of them also significantly decreases the difficulty level of those fights. I'm not sure you can say that about any other dps class.

**blowfin** · 2013-12-12 02:18

Definitely sounds like they'll be nerfing a xclass ability, not sure why we're talking about BRD/ARC abilities. My money is on B4B. Could possibly see them touching invigorate though, because Paeon is currently a joke that hardly gets used. Wonder if we'll get thrown a bone at the same time though. i.e. no invigorate, but lessen the damage penalty on Paeon. Seeing as they've mentioned "spike damage" though, B4B does seem very likely.

**Judai** · 2013-12-12 02:22

Blunt Arrow does dmg, therefore I use it on everything..

I also really don't want to have to trust someone else to silence shit tbh.

ppl who think BRD is required for T1-2 Coil are retarded though. PLDs can silence pretty fcking easy.

**Deadgye** · 2013-12-12 04:08

Somebody in my fc mentioned reading on the internet that crit capped at a certain percentage, or had diminishing returns, which got me interested enough to start testing again.

Currently auto attacking away on a level 50 dummy with 541 crit. So far I can say with 95% certainty that my crit rate is between 15.4% and 22.2%. Hopefully auto attack is enough for the game to not auto log me out. I want to parse 6000 attacks against the level 50 dummy and 6000 against the level 1 dummy. In hindsight I probably should have equipped a weapon with a lower attack delay.

edit: Nope, auto attack does not prevent you from auto logout. Guess I need to start looking into third party software to keep me from logging out.

**Alkar** · 2013-12-12 07:52

It's either B4B or Internal Release. Guess we'll now equip Mantra?

**Majidah** · 2013-12-12 08:03

Originally Posted by Deadgye

Somebody in my fc mentioned reading on the internet that crit capped at a certain percentage, or had diminishing returns, which got me interested enough to start testing again.

Currently auto attacking away on a level 50 dummy with 541 crit. So far I can say with 95% certainty that my crit rate is between 15.4% and 22.2%. Hopefully auto attack is enough for the game to not auto log me out. I want to parse 6000 attacks against the level 50 dummy and 6000 against the level 1 dummy. In hindsight I probably should have equipped a weapon with a lower attack delay.

edit: Nope, auto attack does not prevent you from auto logout. Guess I need to start looking into third party software to keep me from logging out.

I'm pretty sure that leaving the chat log expanded prevents you from logging off. But you could always just lock target and leave your target running around the dummy, or just leave the camera spinning around. (duct tape)

**Day** · 2013-12-12 08:35

Punching myself in the dick if it's B4B, probably uninstalling. Fucking 34 levels of that bullshit. lmao.

**Eanae** · 2013-12-12 10:15

Originally Posted by Day

Punching myself in the dick if it's B4B, probably uninstalling. Fucking 34 levels of that bullshit. lmao.

I like dragoon better than bard.

Also I bet it's invigorate to force you to use peon more.

**Therin** · 2013-12-12 11:04

By using Paeon more, you mean for Turn 5? I can't think of any other fights that last long enough to really TP drain unless you're spamming AOE, but that's in speedruns and not really how they intended us to play those dungeons anyway.

**Eanae** · 2013-12-12 11:43

I imagine there'll be more long fights coming in the future where they may want you to use a variety of songs. Right now it's only really requiem and the occasional ballad. Never peon.

**Rocl** · 2013-12-12 11:45

that isn't what your post used to say at all

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