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[Deadgye]

but the stat increase an un-weathered Rosenbogen gives shouldn't be anywhere close to giving an 80-95 DPS increase.

I don't know, you're looking at a difference of 8dex and 4dmg. Probably not enough for a full 90dps increase, but it's still a huge difference.

[Kuhlitoraal]

I don't know, you're looking at a difference of 8dex and 4dmg. Probably not enough for a full 90dps increase, but it's still a huge difference.

I certainly hope you're right. I wasn't mathing it out by any means, simply sounded like quite a bit of DPS for the upgrade, but that could just be my ignorance.

[Judai]

Same tests as before, except I swapped in NQ Lexi Bow for Rosen and Myth Pants instead of Allagan to account for change in accuracy. i99 now.

5m tests again

333 DPS - 28% Crit
344 DPS - 31% Crit (think I screwed up a Flame placement and hit 2 dummies, so slightly higher then DPS then it should be)
331 DPS - 27% Crit

Not sure why my crit rate dropped so hard today, especially since my CritHit went up 18pts lol.. (BRD CRIT RATE NINJA NERF OMG)

So it looks to be more like a 40 DPS increase imo.

[Kuhlitoraal]

On the lvl1 striking dummies outside Gridania:
04:57 - 89,994 - 303.01 33%
04:40 - 84,657 - 302.35 29%



Highest I've gotten is 310, but I'm for the most part on average getting the above and typically have 29-30% crit. At what point do you try to reapply your DoT's (like w/o having a straighter proc, how long is left on the tick do you typically try to start reapplying your dots)?

[Judai]

Uh.. idk what that means, always? My Start is my typical, go all out DPS;

StartAuto> Hawk's/B4B> SS> Raging> IR/WB> Blunt/Barrage> VB> Flaming> HS Spam> SS>WB>VB - Buffs/OffGCD/BL/ME/Straighter procs as they come up.

As was asked earlier, about doting with buffs up, I usually reapply dots if they are wearing soon and there is 5-6s left on my buffs. (ie, dots wearing in 8s, 5s left on Raging, re-apply dots) If TP is a big issue for a fight, I might hold off on doing that late in the fight but it usually isn't a problem.

I'm sure someone will bring up my "terrible" rotation again or the fact that I will use two buffs or 1buff+offGCD in between some GCD skills and say it's dumb but, it seems to work for me.

[Kuhlitoraal]

Sorry for wording that awkwardly, using windbite as an example, at what point in it's 18s duration do you attempt to reapply it? How much time is typically left when you're spamming the button to reapply said DoT in a non-buff situation (standard DoT reapplication).

[Deadgye]

If I have 0 to 1 buffs up, I refresh dots at 0-2 seconds left on dots usually. If I have 2+ buffs up, I'll refresh dots when my buffs hit 4-6 seconds left. (And dots are.. somewhat low? Usually only refreshing with buffs up if I popped the buffs right before applying dots.

[Judai]

As it wears off ideally, maybe re-apply with 1-2s left usually. Like I said, the only time I really re-apply dots before the last few seconds is when I have buffs wearing AND the dots are wearing off soon and I want fresh fully buffed dots.

[Katlan]

Thanks for the input!

Has anybody done testing to determine when a buff actually wears off? Since using an ability is about 1.5 second until it shows up on the mob/boss, if you start to cast wind bite when your buff has 1 second left, but it doesn't get applied until the buff wears off. Does that still count as getting the buff effect? I am assuming it snapshots your buffs when they show up on the buff (so you need to get through the animation, ect), but have never been sure

If this makes no sense then let me know. Had a final earlier today and been studying for my next, so my brain is fried

[Seravi Edalborez]

I kind of get it. You're asking like if, in this timeline

1: Raging Strikes 1s remaining. Use Windbite with Raging still on. Animation time ~0.50s
2: "-Raging Strikes" occurs right before "+Windbite"
3: Does this "+Windbite" still have Raging's boost?

I don't have a hard answer to that. The initial hit does, I know for certain, but the dot I'm not positive in either direction.

[Kuhlitoraal]

Well I think I found one of if not thee reason(s), I'm so lazy I have it set up when I press the macro key down it rapid fires the button for me, I just took that off and even though I fucked up a good portion of my rotation due to not playing like this in a long time I went up 10 DPS. I wonder if my delay was set way too low, or simply waiting and single clicking for the queue is going to make that large a difference.

[Deadgye]

10dps variances can occur for a variety of reasons. If it was just a one off and you don't consistently notice a difference, don't put too much stock into it.

[Kuhlitoraal]

You're right, tbh I haven't even had a chance to look at the paticulars of that parse. I've been so steady at 300-302 with the NES turbo method I jumped to a conclusion I probably shouldn't have. Especially not after a one off like you said.

[Spider-Dan]

Well I think I found one of if not thee reason(s), I'm so lazy I have it set up when I press the macro key down it rapid fires the button for me,

How?

[Seravi Edalborez]

I'd assume a
/ac whatever <wait.1>
/ac whatever <wait.1>
etc

Which will definitely drop your DPS, much moreso than a 3-in-1 macro that you spamfire or something.

[Kuhlitoraal]

How?

Razer Synapse's macro system. Can set it so when you press and hold down the button it repeats the button press.

I'd assume a
/ac whatever <wait.1>
/ac whatever <wait.1>
etc

Which will definitely drop your DPS, much moreso than a 3-in-1 macro that you spamfire or something.

tbh I believe deadgye was right, I believe I just had lucky crit/bloodletter during that segment. I have run quite a few both ways now, without any macros, with partial, and with the original way I had it set up, and the numbers are still pretty close, leaning a few dps towards non-macro, but nowhere near enough testing to say definitively for myself.

That being said, I only use one macro really, and that's the heavy/misery/blood, with no delay waits. I've tried taking blood out to be able to time it a tad better (keeping the button pressed depending on the BL procs would misfire a BL before a heavy possibly messing up GCD weaving, which I thought might be an issue, but doesn't appear to be as big as one might assume) and haven't seen a noticeable increase.

Addendum: I've been able to push the DPS up a bit using repelling, but currently I save it for late homing missles on my part, but it does help dummy dps, but not by 30.

[Deadgye]

I did ~307 deeeepz our last run today (we won, yay). I paeon for a decent while in between dreads two and three, and threw up another paeon for a bit during the... 7th? tower set. I fumbled my rotation during the last one or two tower sets, so I could probably pull out more damage. Also fucked up at the very start and didn't reapply my dots when all my buffs/pot were about to wear off. No drg, tidal wave bow, ilvl100, etc. Our whm streamed it apparently. http://www.twitch.tv/spatzie1/c/4225059

I try to use blunt arrow but I forget to most of the time. I stopped trying to use repelling shot for deeeeeepz pursposes as soon as it's up after I both backflipped into a tower and backflipped during brainjack the previous day, lol.

[Therin]

I picked up 10-20 DPS easy by getting rid of my one-button-BRD macro. Maybe more. Not because it's inherently worse but because it's impossible to really fully control and min/max with it.

[Taint]

I picked up 10-20 DPS easy by getting rid of my one-button-BRD macro. Maybe more. Not because it's inherently worse but because it's impossible to really fully control and min/max with it.

I went from a HS/BL/ME one button to a BL/ME only macro. Allows me to just micro manage BL. Nice for dodging and DPSing.

[Judai]

That took longer then normal.