Bard Detail

[Deadgye]

Animus bow is terrible, the only reason to get it is if you can't beat coil or levi.

[Spider-Dan]

If Animus Bow had the highest DMG/DEX in the game atm, would you go;

OMG, THAT BOW IS AMAZING I LOVE IT.

or

Fuck, that bow is shit but it's still the best bow.

Or just keep being a moron and fail to understand the point.

You say this as if Rosenbogen's largest secondary stat isn't skillspeed.

I guess if your point is that every 2.2 bow (except Levi) is also terrible, then I agree? On a bow, ideally you want CRT+ACC or CRT+DET. Tidal Wave has the best secondary stat types of 2.2 bows, but it's only i100. Every other bow has SKS (or ACC+DET), which makes them all disappointing.

So unless your point is that Animus is "terrible" because it's not i110, I don't see where you are going. (Unless you simply mean that Animus is terrible because anyone can get it.)

[Judai]

I'm just gonna go over there and wait for you figure out an easy concept.

and honestly, while Rosen is pretty shit with Sks and only decent due to dmg/dex/crit,

Do you even read entire posts?

[Spider-Dan]

Here is the entirety of the post I originally quoted from:

Sounds like he is just shit then and idk what is wrong. You are just showing percentages of dmg per skill, and the only glaring thing I see is Auto Attacks are too high, so he isn't using skills enough. No way to say what he is doing without seeing his rotation or something. It sounds like he is a good 40pts or more behind where he should be with that gear, though I don't know what songs he plays either that might lower his dps if it's a lot of ballad/paeon.

Also, sticking with the terrible Animus Bow instead of getting a Rosen is pretty dumb, so maybe he doesn't understand gear either.

For the third time: if your point is that he should have dumped the "terrible" Animus for the "pretty shit" Rosenbogen because 110 is more than 100, then fine. But terrible is a relative term, and none of the non-Levi bows have good itemized stats this time around. The i100 w.Rosen* also has poor itemized stats, so if you meant "why is he using i100 instead of i110?" you should probably just say that.

tl;dr:

I guess if your point is that every 2.2 bow (except Levi) is also terrible, then I agree?

*and yes, I saw that he had sands, but Rosen has the same stat selection as w.Rosen, just more of it

[Deadgye]

so if you meant "why is he using i100 instead of i110?" you should probably just say that.

Also, sticking with the terrible Animus Bow instead of getting a Rosen is pretty dumb,

lol.

[Spider-Dan]

Do you mean "sticking with the terrible Animus Bow instead of getting a pretty shit Rosen"?

The very first thing I asked was "do you just mean i100 vs. i110?" and Judai clarified that he's talking about the stat itemization (i.e. "Fuck, that bow is shit but it's still the best bow").

[Judai]

Stop derailing with your stupid posts. I already answered that question and you are being stupid as fuck. You are just nitpicking that I didn't say Rosen kinda sucks too and arguing for the sake or arguing. You are an idiot, we get it, go away.

[Spider-Dan]

You're right. He should immediately spend 1300 soldiery and a sand on a "kinda sucky" bow that will be obsoleted in 16 days by an upgrade to his already existing welfare bow.

[Judai]

Really? That's where you were going with that?

[Spider-Dan]

Hold on, let me find an image macro instead of posting a counterpoint...

When the choice is between two unimpressive items, and the only real difference is item level, better to add to the investment you've already made (particularly since we know relic will continue to be upgradeable). If Rosenbogen was actually impressive (or, say, if i110 Levi bow existed) then I could see your side. But it seems like your original post was basically just trashing one disappointing weapon in favor of another slightly-less-disappointing weapon.

If someone already went through the tedious grind of getting an Animus (and they haven't bought a soldiery weapon yet), then I humbly suggest the optimal window for getting a Rosenbogen has passed. Spend the soldiery on another job.

[Kelenae]

Oh boy. Here we go.

[Spider-Dan]

On second thought, Judai is probably right. I'm still getting used to this modern MMO, where you spend months grinding against the RNG to get your drop (just like old MMOs), and then once you get it, instead of keeping it and using it for years, you get to throw your entire gearset in the trash a few weeks later and start all over.

So when I talk about wasting 3 weeks farming soldiery to buy a bow that you'll just throw in the trash a few weeks later, I now realize that's not really a legitimate objection. It's the way this game is designed to work. I'm just demoralized and bitter.

My bad, carry on.

[StUfF]

Let's ignore the last page or so.
As promised T8 parse.


I just don't understand. Plz explain.

Comparing to Deadgye's parse, our parse is about 30second shorter but this means Deadgye should have about 5% more GCDs to play with.

-- Overall lower crit. Not sure if this is gear or possibly not 100% straight shot uptime.
-- Low Windbite/Venom bit uptime. Only 25 uses, in a 10min30sec fight he's only got 70% uptime on single target (is multidotting a dps upgrade or dread dies too quick?)
-- Auto attack uptime? 250 vs 201 (guessing this depends on bow and attack speed on bow?)
-- Bloodletter 71 vs 50... Is there a buff gained when bloodletter resets? I'm looking at the logs and he's pretyt much hitting them every 15 seconds if not earlier. OH YEH. LOW DOT UPTIME = less resets.
-- blood for blood only used 4 times, barragex4 hawk's eyex4 raging strikesx4.... looks like he's stacking all his buffs instead of using them on cd. is this normal?
-- straighter shot buff x23 , i'm checking straight shot uptime and its not 100%. a couple of seconds here and there. don't think this is a super big deal?
-- flaming arrow uptime lower
-- doesnt use repelling but more blunt arrow.

man this just makes me sad. Only thing I'm confused about is his lower AA uptime/attack. with drg/samish weapon his AA dps is the same as Deadgye. you should only get 4 barrage uses t8 so that's not the reason.

[Neon_Sea]

Seems like he is just spamming heavy shot more when he should be doing other things.

[Sho]

I'm with Spider-Dan on terms of upgrading. At least wait and see what the 2.28 update brings before blowing tomes. Eventually the weapon will be outdated regardless, because that's how FFXIV ARR goes (or that's the direction it seems to be heading so far, considering the 2.1 to 2.2 jump).

[Judai]

man this just makes me sad. Only thing I'm confused about is his lower AA uptime/attack. with drg/samish weapon his AA dps is the same as Deadgye. you should only get 4 barrage uses t8 so that's not the reason.

Just sounds like they are a bad Bard/dps. Keep SS+DoTs up fulltime. Use buffs as they come up(b4b being only thing you might hold off on). Dreads should be dotted, there was a post somewhere not long ago about how quickly dots overpower other skills and it's like 2 and 3 gcds or something. Less SS, means less crit and means less BL resets, less dots means less BL resets, etc. Pretty much everything he is doing wrong, steamrolls into him being terrible. Prolly someone used to "support" jobs in other games and not used to being a DPS.

[Deadgye]

My buff activations from that last t8 I posted should be:
10x Internal Release
8x Blood for Blood
7x Hawk's Eye
7x Barrage
6x Raging Strikes

So if he really only popped everything 4 times then he's not watching his CDs at all. The lower crit% would be due to him not using the shit out of internal release either.

Also, got some t9 practice for the first time yesterday. When I didn't die I was doing 230-250 deeepz. Didn't make it past wumboflare too often though. Also cooldowns seemed to work out so that everything ended up being up at the same time like 2m into the fight due to the dive things.

[Dammerung]

Let's ignore the last page or so.
As promised T8 parse.
-snip-
I just don't understand. Plz explain.

Comparing to Deadgye's parse, our parse is about 30second shorter but this means Deadgye should have about 5% more GCDs to play with.

-- Overall lower crit. Not sure if this is gear or possibly not 100% straight shot uptime.
-- Low Windbite/Venom bit uptime. Only 25 uses, in a 10min30sec fight he's only got 70% uptime on single target (is multidotting a dps upgrade or dread dies too quick?)
-- Auto attack uptime? 250 vs 201 (guessing this depends on bow and attack speed on bow?)
-- Bloodletter 71 vs 50... Is there a buff gained when bloodletter resets? I'm looking at the logs and he's pretyt much hitting them every 15 seconds if not earlier. OH YEH. LOW DOT UPTIME = less resets.
-- blood for blood only used 4 times, barragex4 hawk's eyex4 raging strikesx4.... looks like he's stacking all his buffs instead of using them on cd. is this normal?
-- straighter shot buff x23 , i'm checking straight shot uptime and its not 100%. a couple of seconds here and there. don't think this is a super big deal?
-- flaming arrow uptime lower
-- doesnt use repelling but more blunt arrow.

man this just makes me sad. Only thing I'm confused about is his lower AA uptime/attack. with drg/samish weapon his AA dps is the same as Deadgye. you should only get 4 barrage uses t8 so that's not the reason.

He isn't pushing his buttons fast enough and letting dots drop. That's all there is to it. Ask him if he's using key bindings or clicking the buttons on his hotbar...

[Judai]

Just for comparisons. Tonight's Turn 8.

i101, Rosen, DRG, 1 2kMP Ballad, Homing Missile and Brainjack duty.





and Buff activations.

SS - 32
SerS - 16
WB - 35
VB - 32
Flaming - 9
IR - 9
B4B - 6
Hawk's - 6
Raging - 5
Barrage - 6

[Deadgye]

I wish I had a drg to give me piercing debuff.