Bard Detail

[Judai]

I told him about the math I did for it and how much more dps it was and he switched back to drg from mnk, lol.

[Deadgye]

Really? lol. I kind of wished our mnk was a drg instead, but he did 378dps with the weathered weapon last week for our first win so we're probably better off with him staying monk.

[Judai]

Well, we run 2brds, so it's like +40dps prolly and his drg usually parses pretty close to his mnk, though it looks like he was a little low tonight. He didn't have either sol weapon yet tho. Got DRG tonight.

I also lootwhored tonight and got pants+neck, i104 now! Just need HA wrists, Sol Ring/Belt(one this week, one next ) and a bunch of oils/sands to upgrade everything now.

[Deadgye]

I've hit a conundrum. I got the pants last week, so I'm sitting at 501 acc before food w/ tidal bow. Only drops I still need from coil are the neck(acc+0) and head(acc+10), and I'm not getting another oil for at least 1-2 weeks (although it'd only get me +2, +1acc). I have the possibility of upgrading to Rosenbugen this week, but that'd put me at 473acc. If I switch to allagan head then with food I'd be at 488, which is a bit lower than I'd like for t8 and definitely lower than I'd like for t9.

What are the tanking caps for t6/t7 again, and what's the flank cap for t8? And think it's worth it to make and use some Lava Toad Legs over my Apkallu Omelettes for t9?

[Judai]

I don't recall the caps but if you don't mind spending sol, Auroral Neck and Wrists could also help out if you don't have them. I got Wrists cause I won't be able to use the HA Wrists until I get HA Bow anyways. I think the tank caps were 490-500 for 6/7 though and Flank was like 480ish but idr. For T9 you probably could but I was doing fine with 490+ accuracy. I didn't even miss the Dalmuds, which some brd who will not be named, said you NEEEED 515 or w/e acc to hit in the face.

[Deadgye]

I've got the auroral wrists already since I wasn't planning on using the h.allagan ones, (</3 skill speed). I forgot about the neck, it could be a decent stop-gap option, as it'd keep me about capped until the h.allag one drops. If you're doing fine with 490~ acc though, I might just deal with it as well.

[StUfF]

I've hit a conundrum. I got the pants last week, so I'm sitting at 501 acc before food w/ tidal bow. Only drops I still need from coil are the neck(acc+0) and head(acc+10), and I'm not getting another oil for at least 1-2 weeks (although it'd only get me +2, +1acc). I have the possibility of upgrading to Rosenbugen this week, but that'd put me at 473acc. If I switch to allagan head then with food I'd be at 488, which is a bit lower than I'd like for t8 and definitely lower than I'd like for t9.

What are the tanking caps for t6/t7 again, and what's the flank cap for t8? And think it's worth it to make and use some Lava Toad Legs over my Apkallu Omelettes for t9?

T8/T9 is about 490-492 for flank cap. You may want frontal cap though because of golems and depending on the strat you may be attacking Nael from the front in phase4. (512 I think?)
Tanking caps for t6/t7 492~ish?

[Falisa]

I was looking for some advice to see the general consensus on whether or not I'm under performing. My raid group consists of SMN DRG BRD BLM, with the SMN and DRG with i110 weapons, BLM with i100 and me with a i95. Here is my current gear: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MN41 and I am going to be going straight into upgraded Rosenbogen next week.

Generally on T8, I am #3 on the parse with the SMN and DRG in the 380-390 range and I'm around 310-330 with a few paeons played throughout the fight. On T9, I sit around 340 with how far we're progressing into with nothing but a foe req played at pull. These numbers could be off and I'll actually remember to save my act parses after T9 attempts tonight to get a more accurate number. I don't know if I'm underperforming or if its to be expected to be this far behind two i110 weapon dps.

[Judai]

That's about where I was on T8, with an i95 weapon(and maybe slightly less gear), so I think you are probably doing pretty good.

[StUfF]

How much extra TP is Paeon's Army - iirc it bumps the tick up by 50% is that right?

[Raldo]

30 a tick. Oddly enough, the song's TP ticks can be at a separate time from your natural TP ticks. I just used Sprint to test this.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Ballad? and Shroud of Saints do that too, regen'ing at different tick timing. Yet Regen doesn't. SE coding.

[dejet]

Could have something to do with it ticking you then returning it to the rest of the group.(checking to see if effect is still active)

I could be wrong(because I can't play for a few weeks) but I feel like the effect takes a few seconds longer to fall off others after you click it.

[Seravi Edalborez]

It does. Sacred Soil behaves the same way.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Some song testing because I was curious. Maybe olde.

Paeon is 30/tic. BV Paeon is 60/tic.
Ballad is 79/tic. BV Ballad is 158/tic. Regardless of Piety. Same on a WAR BLM or SCH tested.
The effects of BV are not gained on yourself; a BV Paeon BRD still only gets 30/tic from their own Paeon.

BV can be popped before or after song goes up (so after is always better), and boosted effects are lost when BV wears off. Essentially the song buff continually refreshes for the duration. Like Sacred Soil mentioned in above post.

late edit: Also, for me, Paeon and Requiem consumed 133 MP/tick, regardless of whether or not BV was on or off and regardless of weakness. Ballad consumed 80/tick. There is a short tick up (natural MP gain) then a tick down (song cost). So either Ballad costs less than other songs and has no self-benefit, or it costs more (159/tick) and the 80/tick is just a net loss. The distinction is unimportant.

[Spider-Dan]

I think BRD gets effect of BV Ballad? Can't test ATM.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Did it 3 or 4 times and the consumption was the same with or without BV. Exact same natural MP tick up then 80 mp down from the song's cost. And they for sure don't benefit from their own BV Paeon either which was also pretty easy to test.

Would welcome a second check though, we eventually devolved into checking if snowballs went through walls so focus might have been lost somewhere.

[Kuhlitoraal]

I guess that's good to know, but I could have sworn that any time I had BV Ballad up, I was able to upkeep the song longer than normal, especially in a situation where I was <50% MP and had to put the song up for survivals sake. That's just eyeballing though.

[Niiro]

The language is a bit ambiguous but BV's description specifies that it doubles the effect "of own songs on party members and enemies".

Yea, you're a member of the party obviously but the language kind of differentiates between you and the party in general.

[Raldo]

I'm fine with not getting any bonus for Ballad, but fuck we don't get the BV benefit from Paeon? What bullshit.