Bard Detail

[Artifact]

Judai: I usually come in here and check out your build setups. Couldn't find anything recent, apologies if I missed a post.

Transferred to Malboro to play with IRL friends and just recently found a raid group so no High Allagan yet.

I have Weathered Body, Belt, and all accessories and finishing up my Animus Bow. I started using Soldiery on my SCH just so it wasn't sitting there. Would you recommend I get any other pieces of weathered for Bard, or just patiently wait for now?

[Day]

Still stuck with NQ Wave bow seriously stunting my DPS. Got all 10 tokens lost tomestone lot last night to SMN. Oh well, next week. Was looking over acc. Looks like with Rosen you need at minimum allagan head/allagan ring? I have HA Pants and hands already.

[Judai]

Judai: I usually come in here and check out your build setups. Couldn't find anything recent, apologies if I missed a post.

Transferred to Malboro to play with IRL friends and just recently found a raid group so no High Allagan yet.

I have Weathered Body, Belt, and all accessories and finishing up my Animus Bow. I started using Soldiery on my SCH just so it wasn't sitting there. Would you recommend I get any other pieces of weathered for Bard, or just patiently wait for now?

My BIS list is still the same: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/M0BH

Sounds like you have everything good from Sol, everything else is sks so bleh. I started upgrading my SMN with sol already myself, though I did get super lucky on drops, so unless you just want to upgrade BRD for the sake of upgrading DEX, I wouldn't bother getting anything else.

[Artifact]

My BIS list is still the same: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/M0BH

Sounds like you have everything good from Sol, everything else is sks so bleh. I started upgrading my SMN with sol already myself, though I did get super lucky on drops, so unless you just want to upgrade BRD for the sake of upgrading DEX, I wouldn't bother getting anything else.

Okay thanks man. I am getting frustrated with being i96 for a couple weeks, but I guess Animus will be my only upgrade until I get a group that starts clearing T6+. I miss Hyperion. :/

[Hellfury]

Being the filthy casual that I have turned into in my "advanced years", I must admit I lost track of the crit vs. det debate, but the introduction of Novus has me pondering my materia options. I am given to understand that accuracy is mandatory, but I'm a little uncertain on det vs. crit, was the debate ever properly settled?

[Raldo]

Accuracy may be "mandatory", but that still leaves open the question of "How much?" 44 is the cap on Novus, but that seems a bit excessive.

As for whether det vs. crit was settled...? No. I tend to value them equally (1:1) since it makes it easy to compare gear that way. I know at least SD will come in here adamant that 1 Crit is worth more than 1 Det. It's difficult to compare the two since they play off of each other. Crit may give you more BL procs, but Det makes those hits more powerful. Det makes everything more powerful, but landing a Crit makes those powerful hits more powerful still.

I wager most people will do 44Crit/31Acc, but I'm undecided as of yet. I'll be doing WAR Novus first because that's my current coil job, but right now for Bard, I'd probably consider doing 40Crit, 20Acc, 15Det, but I don't actually know how much accuracy I need.

[Spider-Dan]

As for whether det vs. crit was settled...? No. I tend to value them equally (1:1) since it makes it easy to compare gear that way.

Two questions:

1) How do you value CRT and DET on other DD jobs?
2) Do you consider a completed Novus with CRT+0 to be optimal?

As you say yourself, you wager most Novus users will add max CRT and add 0 DET. That doesn't sound very ambiguous.

[Raldo]

1) I value Det higher, point-for-point, than Crit on other DD jobs (that seems to be the general consensus, no?) MNK/DRG/SMN should be maxing Det on their Novus weapons, without question.

2) Not for Bard

As you say yourself, you wager most Novus users will add max CRT and add 0 DET. That doesn't sound very ambiguous.

What people choose to do, and what is actually best are not always the same thing.

[Kipling]

We're close to downing Turn 9 in my alt group now that we're taking it seriously and training the new people to take it down, so I need some BRD advice to gauge my progress. I'm gonna post what I'm doing DPS wise, the party set up, and relevant gear for accurate context. I'll also post where I placed.

I'd post parses but for some reason ACT likes to cut my damage into my character name and "you" so I'd have to add them together and it's messy.

Basically, I just want to know if I'm on track. My gear is this (average ilvl 102):

Rosenbogen (i110)

Allagan Head (i90)
Weathered Auroral Body (i100)
Myth Hands (i90)
HA belt (i110)
Allagan legs (i90)
Crafted feet (i90)

HA Neck (i110)
HA Earrings (i110)
Auroral Wrists (i110)
HA ring (i110)
Weathered Ring (i100)

Spoiler: show

Turn 6:

Set up: PLD, PLD, MNK (i110 wep), BRD (i110 wep), BLM (i100 wep), SMN (i100 wep), SCH, WHM

• Me = 287.4
• Second spot = 260.97 (MNK)

Turn 7:

Set up: PLD, PLD, MNK (i110 wep), BRD (i110 wep), BLM (i100 wep), SMN (i100 wep), SCH, WHM

• First spot = 283.09 (MNK)
• Me = 210.94 (kiting)

Turn 8:

Set up: PLD, WAR, MNK (i110 wep), BRD (i110 wep), BLM (i100 wep), SMN (i100 wep), SCH, WHM

• First spot = 387.22 (MNK)
• Me = 330.09 (no mechanics besides towers, WAR handled them all)

Turn 9 - Partial parse up until around 40%:

Set up: PLD, PLD, MNK (i110 wep), BRD (i110 wep), BLM (i100 wep), SMN (i100 wep), SCH, WHM

• Me = 304.89
• Second spot = 287.07 (MNK)

[Deadgye]

I was listening to Key of the Twilight and it suddenly hit me, I've been playing bard wrong this entire time. The next time I log in I'm making macros for my songs and adding lyrics in /p.

And then I'm totally going to paste them here after and recommend them be added to the bard macro staples.

[Judai]

We're close to downing Turn 9 in my alt group now that we're taking it seriously and training the new people to take it down, so I need some BRD advice to gauge my progress. I'm gonna post what I'm doing DPS wise, the party set up, and relevant gear for accurate context. I'll also post where I placed.

I'd post parses but for some reason ACT likes to cut my damage into my character name and "you" so I'd have to add them together and it's messy.

Basically, I just want to know if I'm on track. My gear is this (average ilvl 102):

Rosenbogen (i110)

Allagan Head (i90)
Weathered Auroral Body (i100)
Myth Hands (i90)
HA belt (i110)
Allagan legs (i90)
Crafted feet (i90)

HA Neck (i110)
HA Earrings (i110)
Auroral Wrists (i110)
HA ring (i110)
Weathered Ring (i100)

Spoiler: show

Turn 6:

Set up: PLD, PLD, MNK (i110 wep), BRD (i110 wep), BLM (i100 wep), SMN (i100 wep), SCH, WHM

• Me = 287.4
• Second spot = 260.97 (MNK)

Turn 7:

Set up: PLD, PLD, MNK (i110 wep), BRD (i110 wep), BLM (i100 wep), SMN (i100 wep), SCH, WHM

• First spot = 283.09 (MNK)
• Me = 210.94 (kiting)

Turn 8:

Set up: PLD, WAR, MNK (i110 wep), BRD (i110 wep), BLM (i100 wep), SMN (i100 wep), SCH, WHM

• First spot = 387.22 (MNK)
• Me = 330.09 (no mechanics besides towers, WAR handled them all)

Turn 9 - Partial parse up until around 40%:

Set up: PLD, PLD, MNK (i110 wep), BRD (i110 wep), BLM (i100 wep), SMN (i100 wep), SCH, WHM

• Me = 304.89
• Second spot = 287.07 (MNK)

DPS numbers look decent, except that T7 but BRD kiting is awful so idk how I would be doing if I stayed BRD for that. (I switch to SMN to kite T7 and do like 250dps and know I could do better) One thing you aren't listing though is if you need to play paeon/ballad during stuff.

I pulled 320dps in T6 and 384dps in T8 last week, but I have a drg and am i106. I sing one long ballad for T8 and had to actually sing a short paeon for myself that run as well. :/

300dps seems solid for T9 at that point, though numbers are going to vary a bunch depending on when you push first phase(different number of jumps), if you have 1 or 2 dragons during heavensfall phase(2 dragons means 2x you have 2 sets of dots up).

[Kipling]

DPS numbers look decent, except that T7 but BRD kiting is awful so idk how I would be doing if I stayed BRD for that. (I switch to SMN to kite T7 and do like 250dps and know I could do better) One thing you aren't listing though is if you need to play paeon/ballad during stuff.

I pulled 320dps in T6 and 384dps in T8 last week, but I have a drg and am i106. I sing one long ballad for T8 and had to actually sing a short paeon for myself that run as well. :/

300dps seems solid for T9 at that point, though numbers are going to vary a bunch depending on when you push first phase(different number of jumps), if you have 1 or 2 dragons during heavensfall phase(2 dragons means 2x you have 2 sets of dots up).

Ah, yeah BRD kiting is harder because you can't freeze stuff with Miasma. I actually just SMN kited T7 for the first time last night while helping one of our groups, and being able to just freeze stuff and go back to DPS is much less hectic. With BRD if your DPS is too high you need to be good at creatively kiting or shadowbinding a renaud in the areas where Shriek/Petrifaction freezes them so you can kill right before it goes off. My DPS has been closer to like 250 when I have a DRG in Turn 7. But ultimately there are a lot of times as a BRD kiter where you HAVE to put yourself out of range and just accept you are too far away to DPS or you'll compromise ideal positioning for either freezing to kill or freezing for shriek. I just try to get dots on before that times comes then move out before it gets too close.

In Turn 6 I usually sing ballad a bit to let the healers recover before we begin the burn phase, but with enough time so that I have enough for a full MP BV Foe's before we burn.

In Turn 7 I do ballad when they ask, which is usually before/right after the prosector especially if someone dies. If no one dies then I just use Foe's.

In Turn 8 I do ballad a couple times, usually for about 1k MP to 0 when the healers or SMN needs it. I found myself needing to use BV Paeon for myself in the middle to keep up last week... But I have a lot of skill speed right now and with NO duties at all (including towers) I find myself running dry. I would be singing paeon anyway for our MNK so I guess it works out, but it does cut into my damage. Not really sure what to do about that, I think it's more of a necessary evil.

In Turn 9 I sing ballad during the final phase at some points since we're still learning our alt roles and they need MP when someone dies. Hoping to down it tonight, our best attempt (4% enrage wipe due to someone being dead) yielded this parse with me singing ballad and paeon at the end (paeon due to the fact that I was Second dive bomb set target 2 meaning I needed to sprint to make it back to the group in order to not get gibbed by Lunar Dynamo).

[Raldo]

I found myself needing to use BV Paeon for myself in the middle to keep up last week

Just a heads-up, someone mentioned earlier that BV songs don't affect you, so a BV paeon and a regular paeon are identical effects to the singer. I'm sure someone else in your group was probably thrilled to have the extra TP, but since you specified "for myself", I figured I'd mention it.

Some song testing because I was curious. Maybe olde.

Paeon is 30/tic. BV Paeon is 60/tic.
Ballad is 79/tic. BV Ballad is 158/tic. Regardless of Piety. Same on a WAR BLM or SCH tested.
The effects of BV are not gained on yourself; a BV Paeon BRD still only gets 30/tic from their own Paeon.

[Kipling]

Oh jeeze. I never knew, thanks for pointing that out... never heard anyone bring this up either

You're right, my MNK got something out of it at least, lol.

[Kaixin]

On that subject does BV *not* work with Foe's? Or did you just choose to burn BV on paeon?

[Seravi Edalborez]

It works with Foes.

[Judai]

New High dps for T6 tonight! We actually killed Raff before getting LB2 so we just left the slugs up the entire time and LB1'd the Boss, lol.



You will also notice the lack of a DRG. I didn't realize they were MNK all night until after I was disappointed in my 360dps T8.(w/o a drg)

[Day]

Judai, or others with Rosenbogen, are any of you also working on Novus? Trying to decide what to do with stats, on 8th book of Animus right now. I'm thinking going all ACC/Crit to use the bow as a progression type bow next patch, but is that retarded idea?

Nice deeps btw! I've stepped up my game like you told me haha, bunch of HA drops and Rosenbogen now, finally doing some dps I'm not ashamed of haha.

[Kipling]

Ah, we never get LB2 without holding at 44%~. So we sit there for like 2 minutes doing nothing, I've always wondered what my DPS would be at if we just did full steam ahead. We actually zerged it for the first time last night, the previous parse I showed included us waiting for LB3 so we could do the slug feed method and blow up the super slug.

And no, I'm not working on Animus since I'll get the first HA bow that drops anyway and we got our first kill last night in the alt group.

Parse from Turn 9 last night:

SMN and SCH were i93, and mnk died like twice to double fire then we all died at 1% because someone hit me with their Divebomb, which shot me to the side while I had the second marker making it a cluster. Healers and tanks killed it, lol. I know I would have lost had our MNK not been double weak and dead twice before the final mess.

http://i.gyazo.com/c46932288d4594eef2abeb13fb3f478b.png

[Judai]

Judai, or others with Rosenbogen, are any of you also working on Novus? Trying to decide what to do with stats, on 8th book of Animus right now. I'm thinking going all ACC/Crit to use the bow as a progression type bow next patch, but is that retarded idea?

I wouldn't use it as a fully progression bow. I think eventually, they will make it the best bow in the game, but I could be wrong. I'm still working towards Animus because I'm lazy and don't care so far but my plan will be something along the lines of; Max Crit, 10~ Acc, Rest Det(idr exact numbers you can have). That way you still have some room to play with gear.

Ah, we never get LB2 without holding at 44%~. So we sit there for like 2 minutes doing nothing, I've always wondered what my DPS would be at if we just did full steam ahead. We actually zerged it for the first time last night, the previous parse I showed included us waiting for LB3 so we could do the slug feed method and blow up the super slug.

This was the first time in a month+ that we had our full group of DPS and not a random pug who couldn't keep up, so the first time we ran into the issue(though we expected to run into it after the second win we had, lol). I don't really get holding things or the groups we talked to who changed to super slug because they were afraid of or not getting LB2. The slugs hit like babies and it's easy enough to just zerg it down with them up, lol.

cg on the T9 win.