FFXIV Random Complaint Thread: Look forward to it

**Deadgye** · 2013-09-27 01:59

Ya'll are about to go full retard or something. In legacy mode you can instantly run in any direction you want, with the camera facing any direction you want.

There are also plenty of tricks that I've probably unconsciously carried over from xi that might not be so obvious, but didn't we just establish that you can pretty much functionally do everything you can possibly think of quite easily while in legacy mode?

**Celeras** · 2013-09-27 02:04

Originally Posted by Ksandra

maybe a keyboard thing?

legacy with controller you can run manually and turn the camera.

Obviously a keyboard thing. I'm not down with intentionally gimping myself in order to use a controller, hence the complaint. Either have to deal with moving the wrong direction (standard) or deal with not being able to spin the camera while moving (legacy). It's not really that complicated.

Originally Posted by Siatdiat

If I strafe while facing towards the camera, I go the correct direction and the camera angle spins. In other words, left strafe moves left and right strafe moves right. So did you try my settings or just make assumptions then flip out?

Flip out? I don't even know what you are trying to say. Are you just intentionally being retarded by trying to say that your characters left is the "correct" direction? Cos it isn't. If I hit left I want to move fucking left from my perspective, and idgaf which direction my character happens to be looking at that moment. You know, like every other game I've ever played. I'm not even sure if you realize that complaint is tied to the standard controls, and that I'm aware legacy doesn't do it. See above.

edit: Visualization for people still struggling with this. STANDARD SUCKS BECAUSE:

**Deadgye** · 2013-09-27 02:13

Either have to deal with moving the wrong direction (standard) or deal with not being able to spin the camera while moving (legacy). It's not really that complicated.

I'm having trouble following this, because I don't have this problem. If I just want to swing the camera quickly while maintaining my direction I can just hit autorun for 0.25 seconds. Or I could, and this handles more delicate situations as well, just simply press different movement keys for different lengths of time rather intuitively.

**miokomioko** · 2013-09-27 02:19

Originally Posted by Deadgye

I'm having trouble following this, because I don't have this problem. If I just want to swing the camera quickly while maintaining my direction I can just hit autorun for 0.25 seconds. Or I could, and this handles more delicate situations as well, just simply press different movement keys for different lengths of time rather intuitively.

This is pretty much what I do. I use auto-run very frequently and often for very short periods of time just so I can maintain movement while I deal with other shit like hitting some buff-skills while moving towards my next target or keeping an eye on what's going on with the main boss until I'm in range to Shoulder Tackle an add or something. PROTIP: your mouse-wheel button (or possibly center button if applicable) is defaulted as auto-run toggle, which I find really handy since I can actually handle all movement + camera with just the mouse if I really need to. I'm debating switching that button to target cycling though...

I was just explaining the limitations that he was likely talking about, because you can't run in a perfect straight line while moving your camera around with Legacy controls + keyboard without using auto-run.

One major complaint though with the camera is that when I have it zoomed all the way out to see as much of the battlefield as possible, moving it too low to the ground (which causes it to slide forward along the ground/terrain/walls/etc.) will reset the zoom to that amount... so when I move the camera back up, I'm still staring up close at my legacy tattoo and can't see shit and have to manually zoom back out which isn't always responsive.

**Celeras** · 2013-09-27 02:40

Originally Posted by Deadgye

I'm having trouble following this, because I don't have this problem. If I just want to swing the camera quickly while maintaining my direction I can just hit autorun for 0.25 seconds. Or I could, and this handles more delicate situations as well, just simply press different movement keys for different lengths of time rather intuitively.

You seem to follow just fine. Hitting auto-run is a semi workaround for a problem you acknowledge, great. And what happens when I have to turn? You literally cannot turn with WASD and look in a different direction at the same time. Your autorun workaround obviously can't change direction. Do you autorun towards a cliff while doing Titan so you can spin your camera to see where the bomb spawn started? And even forgetting all that, is being forced to "adapt" to retarded controls not a valid complaint or what? I'm not really sure why this is being called out.

I complained about it because on more than one occasion I ran directly into a mob I was attempting to MGS (in AK) by trying to spin my camera and watch to see if they moved. Every game I have ever played has RMB move the character, and LMB spin the camera. I cannot think of a single exception.

**Deadgye** · 2013-09-27 02:50

I don't understand what you mean by turn. If I want to run in a direction I press the combination of wasd keys that result in my character running in that direction. This combination changes very slightly over time if I'm moving my camera at the same time. Doing that fluently is so easy to me that it's unconscious.

A mundane and simplified explanation would be: while spinning my camera I start off by holding a, then a+s, then s, then s+d, then d, then d+w, then w, etc. and by doing so run in the same direction even while the camera is spinning.

**Celeras** · 2013-09-27 02:55

You only ever look/move in 45 degree increments while slowly spinning your camera by the same margins?

**Deadgye** · 2013-09-27 02:57

A fraction of a second in one 45 degree angle and a different fraction of a second in another 45 degree angle creates an angle that is no longer 45 degrees. I said the example was simplified for a reason.

**Churchill** · 2013-09-27 02:58

This game used to have LMB Camera RMB Character but then they limited it to Standard only.

Just another change that SE deliberately made to make the game worse.

**Celeras** · 2013-09-27 03:02

Originally Posted by Deadgye

A fraction of a second in one 45 degree angle and a different fraction of a second in another 45 degree angle creates an angle that is no longer 45 degrees. I said the example was simplified for a reason.

You're talking out your ass and I'm not sure why, as it'd be a pretty weak troll. If you want to suddenly look 80 degrees to your right, for whatever reason, there is no combination of WASD that you could press to maintain your current path. And there is no combination of buttons you could press to look that direction and then make a 90 degree left turn.

Originally Posted by Churchill

This game used to have LMB Camera RMB Character but then they limited it to Standard only.

Just another change that SE deliberately made to make the game worse.

Now I'm just mayad.

**Deadgye** · 2013-09-27 03:28

I'm not talking out of my ass, and I honestly do not understand why you think I'm trolling. I just logged onto my character on the jp servers to make sure I'm not imagining things, and sure enough I just did everything you just told me was impossible without even thinking about how to do it.

Are your hands broken or something?

**Neviskio** · 2013-09-27 03:29

On the subject of "instant" off gcd abilities, square enix rep camate said:

"Hello,

Based on the way the game was designed, and also taking into account the current level of difficulty, the development team has no plans to change the timing in which non-global cool down actions can be used, and would like players to take this into consideration when forming strategies."

Again they have no clue on wtf they are doing, it's not a design choice or a difficulty choice, they're just incompetent. I definitely keep facepalming at these posts, japanese and their design choices...I give up on trying to understand what it goes through their mind. churchill is definitely right on the fact they're incompetent...

edit: I should stop posting when half asleep...fixed <.<

**Siatdiat** · 2013-09-27 03:32

Your previous description wasn't very clear. Clearly you have only ever played ffxi if that's what every game you have played is like.

Anyway, yeah the camera not turning mixed with the auto face shit pisses me off on a daily basis. It's not always what's needed but there is a command to look behind you, and you can do it while running. But it's only useful when you need to look right behind you.

**Kaelan?** · 2013-09-27 03:55

Originally Posted by Ksandra

Has to be pretty tin foil to think this is deliberate. Even for SE.

I wasn't aware SE was beyond making bad design decisions, thanks for letting me know

**Celeras** · 2013-09-27 04:37

Originally Posted by Deadgye

I'm not talking out of my ass, and I honestly do not understand why you think I'm trolling. I just logged onto my character on the jp servers to make sure I'm not imagining things, and sure enough I just did everything you just told me was impossible without even thinking about how to do it.

Are your hands broken or something?

Yes, my hands are broken because there isn't a combination to turn four 90 degree keys into intervals less than 45. I don't even know what to say anymore.

[edit] I mean really. You admit you fucking toggle autorun just to look around with LMB when its not necessary to do on Standard. That's the complaint. LMB/RMB doing the same thing. Half the functionality on the "better" setting. Can't hold any point in your field of view and maintain the ability to turn 360 degrees. Why is this difficult?

**Viena** · 2013-09-27 05:04

Originally Posted by Toth

Should I be this upset a newb running a Garuda farm lots the item I told her I wanted and says she forgot I wanted it. She doesn't even have the job for the weapon unlocked.

Have everyone who shouldn't be lotting the weapon leave the instance and don't lot until then. If someone who shouldn't stays, then they are clearly assholes and cannot claim that it was an oversight.

**Mrbeansman** · 2013-09-27 05:05

Damnit SE.

**Celeras** · 2013-09-27 05:24

Consider it a successful troll as you got me to waste 33 seconds of my life doing something pretty fucking retarded.

Objective: Keep tree centered (aka above characters head) while running in a straight line parallel to the wall. If you're dyslexic use the minimap to get your bearings. Standard, easy as pie. Center view, hold 'A', and compensate without ever worrying about your direction changing. Legacy, zig-zag at best to maintain the parallel course. Feel free to record the standard results using legacy, as my hands are "broken". Without autorun mind you, as the entire point is showing that this is impossible if you need a change of direction.

Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever done. All because I complained about not being able to freelook with LMB.

**Deadgye** · 2013-09-27 05:34

Please tell me you've at least tried that in legacy while using whatever you've bound to " move left" and "move back" instead of "strafe left" and "move back". Because using "strafe left" there like you did is a stupid thing to do.

**Celeras** · 2013-09-27 05:44

Duh. Holding left would curve you away from the wall if you centered the tree. Left + back would slowly run you into the wall if you centered the tree. You'd have to alternate them (or hold left and tap back every so many steps) and zig. Any way you slice it youre not running straight.

Don't make me record again, once is embarrassing enough. Maintenance is fucking over and I'm still in kill-time mode.

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