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  1. #5021
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    Well what you can do is just have Pld main tank, but have the War tank the add in the original spot. The pld has an entire fight's worth of hate so having the pld run across is no problem at all. Using that route, all it takes for me is a tomahawk and swinging my position about 3 steps to the wall and presto. We were having so many issues having me try to grab the add from range and drag him across while getting beat on. We actually were pretty annoyed that nobody thought of that strat the first night.

    Much love to a War who main tanks it right off the back, though, because that fucker hits like a brick shit house right off the back and War has no true "defensive" mitigation cooldowns. Our native one is a joke, giving like what, at best 6% damage reduction compared to Pld's flat 20%?

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    Pens win! Pens Win!!! PENS WIN!!!!!

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    Is Caduceus Holmgang-able?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucavi View Post
    Well what you can do is just have Pld main tank, but have the War tank the add in the original spot. The pld has an entire fight's worth of hate so having the pld run across is no problem at all. Using that route, all it takes for me is a tomahawk and swinging my position about 3 steps to the wall and presto. We were having so many issues having me try to grab the add from range and drag him across while getting beat on. We actually were pretty annoyed that nobody thought of that strat the first night.

    Much love to a War who main tanks it right off the back, though, because that fucker hits like a brick shit house right off the back and War has no true "defensive" mitigation cooldowns. Our native one is a joke, giving like what, at best 6% damage reduction compared to Pld's flat 20%?
    It isn't too bad actually, Phase 1 Caduceus hits about as hard as 2-3 Stack and shouldn't really get more than 1 stack up before you can feed a slime to it. When my group does it we only feed it twice before it splits and we do the OT holds it in original position > MT runs it away strat. It's even easier if you have someone run to its butt and proc Tailwhips to give you some leeway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    Is Caduceus Holmgang-able?
    Last boss that is Holmgang-able is Garuda unfortunately :\

    Edit: Unless you count the Soldiers in Turn 4, but I'm not 100% on that. I know you can knock them back with Garuda or Fluid Aura though.

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    Holmgang is worthless and should have been PVP-only, while giving Warrior another defensive cooldown in its place. It doesn't even give a infuriate stack, which is a cheap bone that SE could have chucked our way.

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    Pretty much the only time my friend uses it is when he's behind a mob so he can hit it while they can't hit him. Even then, the amount of times that situation comes up is very small.

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    It has a cool animation? Idk :\ The fact that most end-game bosses are immune to useful debuffs or diminishing returns renders them useless makes me a sad panda. Like does anyone actually use Feint in Coil?

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    It has a GREAT animation, but that animation is FAR more suited to PVP when you're calling to some slack-jawed asshole to stop running and COME AND GET IT! In PVE land, its just taking up space that could be used to give a Job who needs more balancing a bit more balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucavi View Post
    Well what you can do is just have Pld main tank, but have the War tank the add in the original spot. The pld has an entire fight's worth of hate so having the pld run across is no problem at all. Using that route, all it takes for me is a tomahawk and swinging my position about 3 steps to the wall and presto. We were having so many issues having me try to grab the add from range and drag him across while getting beat on. We actually were pretty annoyed that nobody thought of that strat the first night.
    We did this too, but the WAR kept using provoke to grab hate (argh), and the healers would immediately get slammed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadgye View Post
    Pretty much the only time my friend uses it is when he's behind a mob so he can hit it while they can't hit him. Even then, the amount of times that situation comes up is very small.
    It prevents the mob from turning around? lol, I never even thought to check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raldo View Post
    It prevents the mob from turning around? lol, I never even thought to check.
    Yeah, only if the bind lands though. Same thing applies to players who are bound too btw, can't turn or move at all. Kinda make it annoying if you Holmgang yourself in a bad position and can't hit the mob -_-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carth View Post
    We did this too, but the WAR kept using provoke to grab hate (argh), and the healers would immediately get slammed.
    Pugs. Get a goddamn static, please.

    Also, for some mob abilities, they will turn around REGARDLESS of whether the bound stuck or not, which is complete bullshit. I've bound a few bosses in lower level dungeons, rooted him in place in one direction, only for him to turn around and cast a spell on someone else because that's how he's scripted. If you can't even make the move work properly, why have it?

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    Kinda make it annoying if you Holmgang yourself in a bad position and can't hit the mob -_-
    We've had a couple of AKs where he'd lose one mob to the healer or smn or something and holmgang it as it gets pushed far away by that knockback thing they have. Resulting of course with the them both bound in opposite places and him facing the wrong direction. I think the longest streak of that happening we've seen was something like 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadgye View Post
    We've had a couple of AKs where he'd lose one mob to the healer or smn or something and holmgang it as it gets pushed far away by that knockback thing they have. Resulting of course with the them both bound in opposite places and him facing the wrong direction. I think the longest streak of that happening we've seen was something like 6.
    Why the fuuuuck is that Garuda not on Obey.

    (I know I say it still does knockback thing on Obey in guide thing I have, but Emerald isn't doing that on my lowbie alt so idk)

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    Oh, I assumed he was referring to Fluid Aura.

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    People complaining about "exploiters" speedrunning T3. Mind blown.

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    Terrible stop-and-go lag the past couple days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seravi Edalborez View Post
    Why the fuuuuck is that Garuda not on Obey.

    (I know I say it still does knockback thing on Obey in guide thing I have, but Emerald isn't doing that on my lowbie alt so idk)
    Garuda doesn't knockback on Obey.

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    Maint. fucked Leve NPC in Whitebring. I guess I'm not going to get Miner to 50 in a while, sigh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirbyprime View Post
    People complaining about "exploiters" speedrunning T3. Mind blown.
    The ammount of ppl in this game that feel like they need to dictate how others should play (despite the fact they are not breaking any tos or shit) is mind-blowing. I wonder what they'd think of FFXI, where players came up on alternatives ways to play all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arus2001 View Post
    Terrible stop-and-go lag the past couple days.
    Been hitting me like a plague all day (and also 90k'ing a ton though that's probably a Me thing), culminating in an even worse than usual Odin where it felt like 9million people were stuck in traffic at the same time.

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    Been getting 90k all damn day, ridiculous crafting lag, and the game just eating my buffs or not activating them until 3-7 seconds later. After maintenance blues strikes again.

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