FFXIV Random Complaint Thread: Look forward to it

[Tsutsumiko]

I know I already complained about Atma's earlier but holy shit...

I farm for 6 hours... I don't get a single drop.

FC members farm for 6 hours? They all have somewhere between 6 and 10 pieces.

If Kill La Kill didn't come out last night and wasn't so epic, I'm pretty sure I would've punched a wall before I went to sleep last night.

[Buffy]

Yah, I've put about six hours into it so far and have no progress.

[Headspace]

But wasn't it too easy to get shit too quick before?

[Buffy]

I'm not a fan of the random nature of it is all. There has to be a medium somewhere. Like turn 5, don't get the drop, get a token, ten tokens lets you get a weapon of your choice.

There had to be a better option than a 1% drop rate on atma. It's a grindy mechanic that I'm not enjoying.

It doesn't help that I didn't enjoy FATEs in the first place, so in my case it compounds the problem. Being forced to participate (continuously) in content I didn't enjoy the first time - no bueno.

[Petitssk]

I actually enjoy mindless grinds so I don't mind the FATE-drops too much, but I think I'd have preferred actual numbers over an entirely luck-based process. Having to do 50-100 FATEs in each zone to gain the Atma would allow me to see that I am, indeed, making progress, as opposed to remaining on square 1 the entire time.

If anything, luck-based content like this is just a nice way of saying the same while insisting that it isn't too bad because you just might get lucky so the less grind-happy players don't want to tear your throat out.

[Tsutsumiko]

I'm not a fan of the random nature of it is all. There has to be a medium somewhere. Like turn 5, don't get the drop, get a token, ten tokens lets you get a weapon of your choice.

There had to be a better option than a 1% drop rate on atma. It's a grindy mechanic that I'm not enjoying.

It doesn't help that I didn't enjoy FATEs in the first place, so in my case it compounds the problem. Being forced to participate (continuously) in content I didn't enjoy the first time - no bueno.

Basically this. I would've been fine with "Clear 100 FATEs in every Zone" as the requirement. It takes a long time but I know I'm getting somewhere. Alternatively, there's a vendor in the zone where I can trade in 35k ~ 50k seals for the item. That way I know there's a hardcap somewhere rather than "Welp, just keep trying." I was in one zone so long yesterday that I literally saw 4 or 5 "waves" of different people. I recognized all the names I was following from FATE to FATE and then they just started to switch out in bulk. That let me know a few people actually were getting drops and moving on to the next area (although they could've also given up).

By the time 1 AM EST rolled around, I realized I was the only one doing the FATEs, soloing them. There wasn't even anyone in the damn zone anymore. And this content is brand new. Imagine for the guy who tries to do this months down the line before 2.3 ... if he has bad RNG, he has to pull teeth to get people to help him with FATEs in certain zones otherwise he can't hope to complete them in a timely fashion or even worse, he can't do them at all.

It's pretty much just shit design, honestly.

But we all know that as soon as a decent chunk of people actually get it, they'll just hotfix it or change it in the next patch so that the drops are 100% and all this is invalid.

[Lokus]

My main annoyance with the FATE portion is that it's boring low level content where I'm essentially casting 1-2 spells mindlessly for hours.

[Pooke]

Progress to your paragon gown!

[OWS_Tonx]

butchers I think you mean, for fate grinding for your atma weapon. Havn't had a chance to play the patch yet, but this honestly doesn't seem too bad. Nobody said we needa zerg the atma, take your time with it as to not get so frustrated

[Detzu]

Basically this. I would've been fine with "Clear 100 FATEs in every Zone" as the requirement. It takes a long time but I know I'm getting somewhere. Alternatively, there's a vendor in the zone where I can trade in 35k ~ 50k seals for the item. That way I know there's a hardcap somewhere rather than "Welp, just keep trying." I was in one zone so long yesterday that I literally saw 4 or 5 "waves" of different people. I recognized all the names I was following from FATE to FATE and then they just started to switch out in bulk. That let me know a few people actually were getting drops and moving on to the next area (although they could've also given up).

By the time 1 AM EST rolled around, I realized I was the only one doing the FATEs, soloing them. There wasn't even anyone in the damn zone anymore. And this content is brand new. Imagine for the guy who tries to do this months down the line before 2.3 ... if he has bad RNG, he has to pull teeth to get people to help him with FATEs in certain zones otherwise he can't hope to complete them in a timely fashion or even worse, he can't do them at all.

It's pretty much just shit design, honestly.

But we all know that as soon as a decent chunk of people actually get it, they'll just hotfix it or change it in the next patch so that the drops are 100% and all this is invalid.

How can it be shit design? Do you want SE to serve your relic on a plate without breaking a sweat? Can't you farm for 2 or 3 days?
It's' annoying? Probably. But, just go with your FC so you don't waste time soloing.
The shit design is the entry lockout on t6 to t9 which forces you to leave people of your FC behind.

[Lokus]

Progress to your paragon gown!

This and getting GC seals is how I'm justifying the FATE portion so it isn't completely bad.

[layoneil]

How can it be shit design? Do you want SE to serve your relic on a plate without breaking a sweat? Can't you farm for 2 or 3 days?
It's' annoying? Probably. But, just go with your FC so you don't waste time soloing.
The shit design is the entry lockout on t6 to t9 which forces you to leave people of your FC behind.

because it's range and there's no progress. could've done the same thing with, complete every FATE in each zone (once, twice, three times, etc.) with Zenith weapon equipped.

i'll help people with lots of stuff and i think i do fairly often but to hell with 1 button level capped FATEs.

[fren.]

Just burned through the 2.1 and 2.2 storyline in the last two days. Holy shit what a boring fucking chore that was.

[Detzu]

because it's range and there's no progress. could've done the same thing with, complete every FATE in each zone (once, twice, three times, etc.) with Zenith weapon equipped.

i'll help people with lots of stuff and i think i do fairly often but to hell with 1 button level capped FATEs.

After all you're right let's' go back to the 10k monsters per area era for a placeholder weapon...

[Pooke]

butchers I think you mean, for fate grinding for your atma weapon. Havn't had a chance to play the patch yet, but this honestly doesn't seem too bad. Nobody said we needa zerg the atma, take your time with it as to not get so frustrated

afaik the gown is 3000 fates?

[Sephiroth]

Relics are meant to be end game gear - spamming FATEs to get them makes no sense. They should require difficulty to get not time. Though I do understand most players think time consuming = difficulty but that's not how it works. If it has to be RNG then it should have been based on appropriate content such as new dungeons and primals, not content for levelling up to 50 that no one at 50 should be doing.

Bad game design. No excuses here.

[OWS_Tonx]

afaik the gown is 3000 fates?

paragons is for having all DoW and DoM 50, I thought you meant butchers because of the 100,000 kills. idk about a gown for the fate one, never checked it out

[Detzu]

Relics are meant to be end game gear - spamming FATEs to get them makes no sense. They should require difficulty to get not time. Though I do understand most players think time consuming = difficulty but that's not how it works. If it has to be RNG then it should have been based on appropriate content such as new dungeons and primals, not content for levelling up to 50 that no one at 50 should be doing.

Bad game design. No excuses here.

That's' what people asked for: grinding, mindlessly time sinking...
Now we have this design, we may as well take advantage of it with getting FC points, farm seals and get atmas at the same time.
Plus it's' not even that big of a time sink.

[Raldo]

3000 FATEs for Paragon's Gown, yes.

[vrumpt]

Holy shit what a bunch of crybabies. This game has made people go soft. Our first legitimately grindy quest in the game and people freak out. SE should have kept the welfare gear in because clearly that's what everybody actually preferred.

Don't like it? Don't do it. There are other weapon options available. It'll just make having a zodiac more prestigious for the people who actually manage to finish it, which is a good thing because having everybody in 2.1 run around in full BiS gear was boring.