FFXIV Random Complaint Thread: Look forward to it

[Narol]

Never doing PF 2.1 Extremes again. These parties have 0% chance of clearing and I'm surprised these tanks in Titan made it past Garuda. Static or friends only.

To be fair, Garuda wins are/were fairly cheap as far as carries go.

[vrumpt]

This one's a bit more personal, but lost both our healers from coil static. 1 unsubbed, the other bailed because we didn't kill t7 yet, as in the second week of coil 2 it wasn't dead and that's when he started getting pissy. Gotta find and train 2 new healers now, setting our progression back even further than it already was.

God dammit.

[SamanosukeShiva]

that sucks, i know the feeling. good healer is hard to find

[Skai]

I take it your bailed healer was not trained in the masochistic ways of FFXI?

[Seravi Edalborez]

that sucks, i know the feeling. good healer is hard to find

WHM Applicant #4
Trial run: Twintania
"So when we split into fireball groups I just heal the people on my side, right?"

The shit part is that T7 is the worst of it. I only gets easier for T8, and T9 is T9. Nobody should be getting pissed about not beating it "today".

[vrumpt]

Worst part of it is, we were so close to clearing t7 too. We adjusted a bit, switched some stuff around and stopped fucking up for the most part. We were at petrifaction phase when we ended Wednesday. If we had another hour it would have been dead. We were supposed to go again tonight, but this shit happened. Like, dammit.

[BerenTebogo]

This one's a bit more personal, but lost both our healers from coil static. 1 unsubbed, the other bailed because we didn't kill t7 yet, as in the second week of coil 2 it wasn't dead and that's when he started getting pissy. Gotta find and train 2 new healers now, setting our progression back even further than it already was.

God dammit.

Almost exact same thing happened to us. Shit really sucks. We're considering the 4 cyclops method just to get a win under our belts and keep the people we're trialing since they're decent and committed people are hard to find.

[hagun]

Inspired by a post in the OFail thread about why there's still a lack of tanks, here's a brief list of QoL grievances that have to do (primarily) with tanking:

Tomahawk/Shield Lob
Range is too small, need an increase to 20. Chasing shit down is one of the most troublesome and annoying things to do as a tank, especially when you already have a mob that you don't want to move due to conal/AoE/fucking-with-the-melee concerns.

They also need an increase in either the direct potency or the hate modifier, they're already a major TP drain and interrupt any combos you might have had going, the least they can do is be worth it.

Provoke
Needs to have an additional effect similar to Taunt (1.0 PGL ability) that forces the mob to target the user for a certain amount of time (5-10s) regardless of enmity, so using it on a distant target doesn't cause it to turn right back around because another tick of a DoT/HoT happened before you could do anything else (would also make tank swapping a bit smoother).

This would also extend the number of uses for voke, you could open boss fights with it to ensure any ancy DPS that decide to open the fight with a flurry of CDs don't screw with hate before you can get off your first Halone/BB.

Flash/Steel Cyclone
Need an increase in range to at least 10.


All of these things would make tanking a less irritating/annoying role and would go a long way toward making people more willing to play them.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. Tanking is honesty boring. There is nothing flashy about it and it's a thankless class.

I think the whole tanking system needs to be revamped. Why has every game turned tanks into the poorest damage dealer? Why not make tanks do a great deal of damage while being the party's first line of defense? There should be something glamorous about being a tank, not just a punching bag. A tanks should be up there able to pull off numbers with the best of the damage dealers.

Additionally, tanking needs to be easier to do. Right now tanking is the most difficult thing to do. There should be skills for tanks that make a tank a master of holding threat with little to no difficulty. There needs to be skills that focus on tanking multiple mobs over a wide area, not just single targets. The amount of time multiple mobs are tanked far exceeds that of single targets.

Again, there should be something thrilling about being a tank. Give tanks the ability to feel as epic as the damage dealers feel and the lack of tanks will be a problem solved overnight.

[Dammerung]

Additionally, tanking needs to be easier to do. Right now tanking is the most difficult thing to do. There should be skills for tanks that make a tank a master of holding threat with little to no difficulty. There needs to be skills that focus on tanking multiple mobs over a wide area, not just single targets. The amount of time multiple mobs are tanked far exceeds that of single targets.

The enmity modifiers on skills are already ridiculously high. I'm holding hate off i110 dps with an i95 weapon easily. If you can't hold hate you're bad.

Niiro's suggestions are nice QOL improvements. Though, the #1 change I want for PLD is to take oath/swipe off the GCD and not have oath break combo.

[The Stig]

I think the whole tanking system needs to be revamped. Why has every game turned tanks into the poorest damage dealer? Why not make tanks do a great deal of damage while being the party's first line of defense? There should be something glamorous about being a tank, not just a punching bag. A tanks should be up there able to pull off numbers with the best of the damage dealers.

I enjoy tanking very much; I do agree damage should be increased somewhat, or at least give off the impression that I'm a wrecking ball.

To fix the damage aspect, I had the following "improvements" in mind:

PLD
- Shield Swipe (but not Bash, WARs would probably cry somewhere lol) taken off GCD as everyone has mentioned - triggered when blocking
- (combo'd) Riot Blade - off GCD - triggered when parrying (giving PLDs some form of resource to use MP more; perhaps later they'll add some PLD specific spells or give them some sort of light based ranged magical spell)

Benefits: A couple of new buttons over-time, MP restoring option without sacrificing GCDs

WAR
- (combo'd) Storm's Eye when parrying - off gcd
- (combo'd) Storm's Path when dodging - off gcd
- Make Haymaker off gcd, but keep the same properties of it triggering post-dodging
- +1 Wrath when taking a critical hit

Can apply debuffs without swapping combos, increase damage output

In any of the scenarios above, the combo'd attack is 10s or so buff when triggered, like freecure, and will take priority over the default combo triggers.

TP might become an issue on long fights but you can to somewhat micro-manage TP; and also add value to some stats when gearing. Just a thought. Tanking is pretty boring at times and it'd be nice to smash more buttons.

[Detzu]

The enmity modifiers on skills are already ridiculously high. I'm holding hate off i110 dps with an i95 weapon easily. If you can't hold hate you're bad.

Niiro's suggestions are nice QOL improvements. Though, the #1 change I want for PLD is to take oath/swipe off the GCD and not have oath break combo.

There's no way you can hold hate on ilvl 110 dps with a ilvl 95 tank. So I call bs on that.
Either your dps are not ilvl 110 and just have one or two lvl 110 pieces or their rotations are shit.

[Taim Meich]

I think the whole tanking system needs to be revamped. Why has every game turned tanks into the poorest damage dealer? Why not make tanks do a great deal of damage while being the party's first line of defense? There should be something glamorous about being a tank, not just a punching bag. A tanks should be up there able to pull off numbers with the best of the damage dealers.

If tanks dealt as much damage as a DD... Why not bring 6 tanks and 2 healers? What would be the necessity of DD if they were just squishier versions of a tank?


Also, random complaint of my own: Failing Leviathan EX because of excess of DPS. The game is penalizing us for doing too good? I'm not used to this stuff, I've always been a mediocre-adequate DPS >_<

[hagun]

If tanks dealt as much damage as a DD... Why not bring 6 tanks and 2 healers? What would be the necessity of DD if they were just squishier versions of a tank?


Also, random complaint of my own: Failing Leviathan EX because of excess of DPS. The game is penalizing us for doing too good? I'm not used to this stuff, I've always been a mediocre-adequate DPS >_<

I agree with you completely and would love to see this a reality. However, party configuration would force you to bring tanks and DD. Well, at least that's what should be done to prevent abusing the use of 6 tanks.

[Dammerung]

There's no way you can hold hate on ilvl 110 dps with a ilvl 95 tank. So I call bs on that.
Either your dps are not ilvl 110 and just have one or two lvl 110 pieces or their rotations are shit.

i110 weapons (~i98 gear level). It's perfectly possible because the enmity modifiers are so incredibly high. If you actually thought I meant full i110... what?

[Taim Meich]

I agree with you completely and would love to see this a reality. However, party configuration would force you to bring tanks and DD. Well, at least that's what should be done to prevent abusing the use of 6 tanks.

No, no, you didn't understand me: tanks dealing as much damage as dedicated DDs is stupid design. You don't do something stupid and then force a suboptimal party composition and call it good.

[Deadgye]

I think the whole tanking system needs to be revamped. Why has every game turned tanks into the poorest damage dealer? Why not make tanks do a great deal of damage while being the party's first line of defense? There should be something glamorous about being a tank, not just a punching bag. A tanks should be up there able to pull off numbers with the best of the damage dealers.

This sounds retarded. There would be no reason to play a dd then.

There needs to be skills that focus on tanking multiple mobs over a wide area, not just single targets.

Overpower, Flash, Circle of Scorn, Steel Cyclone.

Additionally, tanking needs to be easier to do. Right now tanking is the most difficult thing to do.

The only thing I normally lose hate to on my gladiator is other tanks. It's really not hard at all to hold hate.

[Rocl]

complaining about tanks in 2014

[Kaixin]

Putting a higher range on tomahawk/shield lob would just make them spawn mobs further away, I'm sure the limitation is there for a reason. Same thing goes for overpower/flash range. Personally have never had a problem with the range on either.

Tying high tank damage to having aggro (like the previous example of procs on parry and dodge) would eliminate the incentive to bring extra tanks and give tanks some damage to preen about/give them some desire for weapons. I like that idea.

Edit: But yea, holding aggro is by far the easiest thing to do in the game

[Niiro]

Holding hate is extremely easy with the absurd enmity mods on Halone/BB/Oath/Defiance.

Getting hate, however, can be annoying, which is pretty much what all of my complaints were concerned with.

[Niiro]

Unrelated: not really a complaint but there's no RQT and it's not worth making a thread over really, but what the hell causes my choco to gain bonus exp seemingly at random:



Lvl 50, so no chains (mobs weren't even level 50 anyway), I can't seem to find any common cause for when it happens.

Also, is there anyplace else in the game with lvl 50 mobs besides Urth's Gift?