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    Quote Originally Posted by Damane View Post
    playing tank or healer (in my case) is never fun, not in DF and not in PF. I see alot of over pulling just to please DPS or because the tank has a big ego. If i cant keep up on whm with divine seal cure 2 spam regen and medica regen and run out of MP because mobs are still alive i get the bitching that everyone died. I cant help it, i try my best but i am not a god that can save everyone on an overpull. its really frustrating for the healer and its happening alot lately in DF.

    this happens usually at pull with 9 goblins pre 2. boss in brayflox.

    has also happened it lost city pre diabolos pulling everything includeing big mobs held by statue
    Thats especialy frustrating when the raptor(s) are pulled in with the 9 goblins because its 2 more AoE to avoid and these are not forgiving. Most of the time I can avoid them, but when I do the DPS are like "Hey man you forgot these 2, Ima pull em for yer!" making the healer & I /facepalm to death.

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    Thats especialy frustrating when the raptor(s) are pulled in with the 9 goblins because its 2 more AoE to avoid and these are not forgiving. Most of the time I can avoid them, but when I do the DPS are like "Hey man you forgot these 2, Ima pull em for yer!" making the healer & I /facepalm to death.
    For roulette groups, that's one of the reasons I typically only pull 2 sets of gobs to begin with. Basically to see if someone schmucks up and aggros the raptors before grabbing the third set. The raptors are easy to avoid on the right wall, it's when when someone waltzes down the middle of the entry to that section (i.e. they have no idea) that they get aggro'd. You have to assume it as the default behavior, then allow yourself to be surprised when it goes well.

    Also, as a general rule of thumb for DF groups I usually split the first section into 2 or more pulls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blowfin View Post
    For roulette groups, that's one of the reasons I typically only pull 2 sets of gobs to begin with. Basically to see if someone schmucks up and aggros the raptors before grabbing the third set. The raptors are easy to avoid on the right wall, it's when when someone waltzes down the middle of the entry to that section (i.e. they have no idea) that they get aggro'd. You have to assume it as the default behavior, then allow yourself to be surprised when it goes well.

    Also, as a general rule of thumb for DF groups I usually split the first section into 2 or more pulls.
    Agree 100% its like its Xmas before the Xmas day.

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    I aggro the raptors everytime lmao. fml.

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    I only tank DF. No wait time and I hate 95% of the tanks in this game. I have been trying to finish getting my DPS jobs to i90 in Coil and the amount of fail doing turns 1-4 is just astronomical even with 15% Echo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taint View Post
    I only tank DF. No wait time and I hate 95% of the tanks in this game. I have been trying to finish getting my DPS jobs to i90 in Coil and the amount of fail doing turns 1-4 is just astronomical even with 15% Echo.
    As much as I hate shitty tanks, I fucking hate shitty dps. I cringe everytime I see a BLM spam blizzard3 only. For this reason I rarely que as tank for anything unless I'm helping friends.

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    Everyone sucks at the job you're not on. This is fact in DF/PF.

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    Don't know, I'd rather tank in DF. Since I'm i90+ I rarely care about what dps hits. I can control how many mobs I pull depending on how shitty the healer / dps are and I never have to worry about waiting on pulls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirbyprime View Post
    Don't know, I'd rather tank in DF. Since I'm i90+ I rarely care about what dps hits. I can control how many mobs I pull depending on how shitty the healer / dps are and I never have to worry about waiting on pulls.
    you have not had ffxi bards in your ffxiv party then...they like to pull without your consent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indomitable Will View Post
    you have not had ffxi bards in your ffxiv party then...they like to pull without your consent
    Only if you give them the chance. I don't think I've done a dungeon yet where I'm not running off for the next pull while the last enemy from the current one chases me. No one's complained so far. I'm also one of those tanks who supplies my own protect at the door and runs off once the walls drop. I get that people don't like that, but I haven't run into them. I figure people would prefer to be done faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indomitable Will View Post
    you have not had ffxi bards in your ffxiv party then...they like to pull without your consent
    lol'd, definatively one good comparation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lyall View Post
    I don't think I've done a dungeon yet where I'm not running off for the next pull while the last enemy from the current one chases me.
    Then you're pretty lucky, I wouldn't even try that with a MNK in party because it can be annoying to rebuild GL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FHT View Post
    Then you're pretty lucky, I wouldn't even try that with a MNK in party because it can be annoying to rebuild GL.
    I usually run with a MNK, but the alternative is letting GL3 run down while going to the next pull anyway. Most things seem to be spaced juuuust far enough that you need to rebuild GL on mostly every group.

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    I do the same thing. I throw out a stun as I run off, to give them as much time as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raldo View Post
    I do the same thing. I throw out a stun as I run off, to give them as much time as possible.
    same here, and usually i do big pulls anyway, even with df, unless both dps have very low hp (and even then i might, and coach them through it)...but still there's the guy that's like, "hey more mobs up here, why'd you stop at 9 when you could have 15???" (df healer with 3000hp)....aaaaannnnd HG>ALL CD's, stun, stun, stun, stun, stun, fk, fk you, fk you, fk all of you...gd repair bill

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    I stun and run off, fuck their stacks, this is my party. Tis the joys of being tank. Next you're going to complain that I don't bother looking at the healer's MP.

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    i get annoyed by this, if i am on whm. if im on sch, i don't care because the protect is the same. that extra second i take to cast protect could mean if you live through the mass amounts of mobs you pulled. if its one or two sets, then meh, whatever. if its the pulls all the way up to the bridge in brax, then its a problem.
    i don't say anything because i try not to let this game bother me much. if they die, then they end up pulling slower.

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    Unless I'm terribly mistaken, isn't the difference only the M.Def? If the tank is doing his job, he shouldn't be taking magic damage on the pull.

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    Is everyone else's cross-bar always unlocked by default when they log in?

    It's getting kind of annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyall View Post
    Unless I'm terribly mistaken, isn't the difference only the M.Def? If the tank is doing his job, he shouldn't be taking magic damage on the pull.
    I understand where you are coming from, and honestly this game makes it a bit difficult for me to say if the damage was magical or not. I am just trying to cover my ass when people start doing the blame game. and yes the only difference if m. def.

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    Would be nice if they just made protect self-cast only and work like a BRD song with a huge radius (like...40y).

    Wouldn't have to worry about people running off and missing it or recasting it after raising people.

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