FFXIV Random Complaint Thread: Look forward to it

[Karbuncle]

A system for NMs/HNMs doesn't need to be Copy>Pasted from XI though, which is what people always assume when they hear "XIV needs NMs". I mean you could technically have a GW2 type system where everyone who participates gets their own individual drop pools. FFXIV could easily add that, and thats frankly whats missing in their "F.A.T.E" System that GW2's Dynamic events do so much better.. actual reward. in GW2 the reward is not only Exp/Gold/Karma(One of their special currencies), but also enemies and bosses drop items, like crafting materials and even rare/exotic/etc tier equipment you can use or sell. in XIV you have a big epic boss fight for... Company seals?

GW2 also have "popped" Dynamic events that trigger only when someone finds the champion on the map, or they have roaming champion bosses that spawn in certain locations randomly... and no one just hordes the kill, almost always a /sh about "Champion at (X) Waypoint!". So GW2 is living proof of concept that adding NMs or items to open world that are useful and such isn't going to create a drama lama hell hole of competition if done right. Problem is most modern MMOs, like XIV and such, don't care to do it right, and instead vote to remove the system entirely, leaving the problem of bad open world design. FFXIV tried to do some nice with F.A.T.E's, but without actual rewards from them, they're little more than Random EXP dispensers. I mean, you have pretty much iconic FFXI bosses, ones that will give oldschool players the feels (Roc, Simurgh, Ose, so forth) who are all just boring FATE bosses.

Problem is, XIV armor system is very 1 dimensional and doesn't much lend itself to what GW2 offers and I know that, so they'd have to put some design thought into how to handle it since they've designed themselves into a corner to where adding open world NMs, even in the form of FATEs or GW2 Style battles where "Everyone wins" is almost impossible. Since building on a strictly I.lv scale means one way or the other its going to be either too powerful it ruins endgame dungeons, or too weak no one bothers to care about it, theres a problem in a NM/HNM system.

While GW2 works on an I.lv scale kinda, it has tiers with each level. For those who don't know about GW2 and its items. There are multiple types of each item at their level range, and multiple tiers of power. Kinda like Diablo 2 where you have Whites/Rares/Uniques, etc. can find the scaling stuff here: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Item - and with each item, (Body, head, etc) aside from the tiers, theres also different types to fit different combat styles. One armor could have Power/Toughness/Vitality, another could have Power/Precision/Healing, or Toughness/Vitality/Healing, and so forth. (List of stats http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Attribute). Basically it lends itself to the kind of drop system it has, cause it has a little bit of "Diablo/Action RPG" feel to its drops, though in a more MMO way. Theres also Runes, which is what Materia could have been, but those are too complex and varied to even begin getting into.

Point being, GW2 is an amazing example of how open world can be done right, drops and all... Even though they don't have the "Open world NMs" as we might think in XI, finding these Champion/Dynamic events are still exciting cause they can all drop rare/exotic items, so you want to kill them, which is usually hard/impossible without teaming up. For anyone who hasn't played GW2, I wish I could describe how fun it is to do a 3-4 chain dynamic event where the end result is an insanely difficult boss... Its like Behemoth without the horrific lag/disappearing enemy/unrewarding garbage. I mean, in GW2 you can always get unsatisfying garbage, but its not guaranteed garbage like Odin/Behemoth drops.

Edit: In the end, SE already has the groundwork for the type of NM system GW2 has. They could just convert those "Boss" battle FATEs into a type of system GW2 has, where the bosses have actual drops, not just seals/gold. It wouldn't be hard to have a level 30 FATE boss drop level appropriate Materia/Crafting items with a chance at some unique level 30 (I.lv 35?) Rare gear thats useful for a few levels. Or a level 50 FATE boss drop I.lv70/80 gear rarely, could even have unique designs for vanity.

Edit2: also the one good thing i love about XIV is the music. GW2 has almost no music at all, makes epic battles feel so much less epic. I mean, tone/music is like 60% of the experience when it comes to feels/immersion. FFXIV FATE "boss" music just makes you feel like its going to be badass. Just wish it actually was.

This is also just a funny bit http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ring_of_Red_Death

[Damane]

i wouldnt mind fate gear that looks hot just for glamour

[Detzu]

People never fucking learn. Just had to ditch a T5 party because no one ever budged during fireballs/conflags, and we just kept wiping to that shit. Apparently I'm the one at fault for "having an attitude" by telling them that they have no chance to clear the fight if they can't pay even that token amount of attention. Oh yeah, and this was i92 minimum, which really does illustrate how laughable this game really is. You go and get your welfare gear and your echo buff and you just steamroll everything without having to put effort into learning stuff, then you go belly up and shit the bed the moment you need to put the slightest big of actual effort into things. Same thing happens when I join the "you must have cleared fifty million times before" "farm" parties. Everyone just seems to expect to get carried everywhere, or otherwise just durdle until they eventually get what they want.

Yeah, yeah, "just hit up your FC" but mine's ultra cliquish and people no intention of helping those outside the cool kids club. I really should find a new one at some point, but nothing but my own laziness to blame there.

You're saying the game is laughable but you're talking about t5 when t9 is already up.
You could have talked about titan HM also, and how it became laughable in may 2014...

[Lyall]

You're saying the game is laughable but you're talking about t5 when t9 is already up.
You could have talked about titan HM also, and how it became laughable in may 2014...

Not to speak for anyone, but I think the point was that i92 doesn't mean anything when all you have to do to achieve that level of gear is farm i52 dungeons.

[dejet]

Iv seen groups wipe on titan ex with fucking 50% buff when helping friends(when echo first came out)

Echo is a two sided sword people think its something you can count on... I say this to every group that I help that thinks the echo will help them

"Don't think about the echo, if you can't learn the fight it won't do anything its only there to help groups that need a push in DPs outside that you can not count on it."

This goes for turn 4/5 as well. Echo does nothing outside DPs. You have to have a grasp on the fight.


Always go in thinking you won't have the echo(outside coil as its fucking pre done)

[Sephiroth]

Last time I did Titan HM via trial roulette people were even wiping to that shit with echo. We voted abandon after it reached 20%. No amount of HP or DPS is going to stop you flying off the edge. I tried telling them to use LB on the heart if DDs are down too after a wipe due to failing that check and someone chimed in "no we need LB save it!". Yeah lets wipe instead then. Such a fail group that was.

[Taruina]

Last time I did Titan HM via trial roulette people were even wiping to that shit with echo. We voted abandon after it reached 20%. No amount of HP or DPS is going to stop you flying off the edge. I tried telling them to use LB on the heart if DDs are down too after a wipe due to failing that check and someone chimed in "no we need LB save it!". Yeah lets wipe instead then. Such a fail group that was.

This shit is the reason I go on my SCH for my trial roulettes. I seem to only get Garuda and Titan for my stuff. With Titan HM, just as long as 1-2 DPS and a tank can kinda dodge, we can clear it with keeping up my DoTs.

Complaint, after doing t7 on my SCH, I constantly forget to switch my settings back to "Face target when executing an action." Shit's annoying.

[OWS_Tonx]

I was spam farming t1 this last weekend and week to gear my healer and PLD up and I lost faith in my average player again. Tanks who literally don't use cool downs, melee dps who can't avoid tail swipe or insist dpsing Cad from the front, eatting the cleave and all. What probably annoyed me the most is 95% of the time when we ran in, the fuckin tank popped LB asap. like, why?

[Day]

They do that if it's left over from previous fight bc you lose it either way

[Eidle]

What probably annoyed me the most is 95% of the time when we ran in, the fuckin tank popped LB asap. like, why?

I'm missing the problem here, what's wrong with popping tank LB at the start of a boss fight when it resets anyway?

[Taint]

Its the one time outside of ultima to use Tank LB!

[OWS_Tonx]

To clarify, on the initial pull not the wipes after

[The Stig]

But even on the initial pull you lose it though

[OWS_Tonx]

lol if you really do lose your 1bar lb on the initial pull this fail is on me. god fucking damnit

[Eidle]

To clarify, on the initial pull not the wipes after

It still resets once you pull the boss, so your grievance still makes no sense. It's totally fine to pull after using tank LB

[OWS_Tonx]

In a way, I'm glad I didn't say shit to them now. Woulda looked like a complete ass

[The Stig]

It used to not reset I believe (initial release of game) but they found people were building up to level 3, then wiping. Not sure if it applied in Coil at the time.

[Kaisha]

Not being able to split status bar into buffs/debuffs.

[Lyall]

Isn't it more effective to start with caster LB, though? Any damage > no damage. I always tell people to open up after a wipe with it, since it generates no hate anyway.

[Taint]

Not being able to split status bar into buffs/debuffs.

This x100000