The second one shouldn't ever happen. I just did a Qarn as PLD and a fully geared 50 brd was doing his own thing and while he stole hate for like a second a couple of times before I realized he wasn't attacking the same target as the melee, I had it back instantly. A good tank can keep hate on everything through good use of AoEs and spreading out his enmity combo between the mobs.
PLD is also fucking boring.
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