FFXIV Random Praise Thread: Time to melee RDM

[Serenseven]

I'm sure the guy is a great tank and all, but it isn't his job to hold hate.

I'd like to randomly praise the quoted member for providing an excellent example of how the exercise of freedom of speech can become a crime against humanity.

[Khary]

I'd like to randomly praise you for making me laugh (at you).

Where's the like button when you need it!

[Khary]

The "I did it just like this in XI guys" comment makes me wonder, since the definition of tank in that game for anything regen only was okay for was "the guy who can do the most DPS" and pulling hate in those circumstances was almost always best solved by some form of "do even more DPS."

Which, btw, is my strategy (BEST STRATEGY, ALWAYS) for this game as well

I've read what you said several times and am not quite getting your meaning lol.

[Seravi Edalborez]

I'm sure the guy is a great tank and all, but it isn't his job to hold hate.

If a dps takes hate, it is their fault 100% of the time, even if the tank is terrible.

If a healer takes hate, it is the dps fault 90% of the time for getting hit by shit they didn't have to be hit by and the healers fault for not letting that dps just die. The other 10% is when the tank is terrible.

Just saying, you probably had good dps.

For AK/WP/trashdungeons, I'm not healing as a healer (SCH, specifically), I'm DPSing. Nobody got hit by random AoE, I didn't need to overheal or heal much at all. If tank has a weapon literally half the ilvl of the "best" DPS in the party and still holds hate, that's not insignificant.

I Duty Finder a lot. 90% of tanks I get (to throw out a number, maybe a couple dozen out of 300ish runs) cannot hold hate from simple Bane'd DoTs, regardless of their gear level. I pull hate from terrible relic PLDs regardless of whether I'm on my main with Omnilex+1 or my alt with crappy i55 Darklight Grimoire. This guy managed AoE and Relic+1 single target simultaneously with an extremely lame weapon. It's not like mobs died in 5 seconds, this wasn't a speed run. Just casual "kill everything" run.

It's at the point where I pull hate on purpose now as SCH in trash dungeons. I consider it admirable if a tank keeps up, even partially. I'll spike Ruinspam+Energy Drain on the highest hate target for me with all DoTs still up on everything just to see if they're awake. This guy rose to the challenge.

What you say is true in a very, very slanted sense in some situations if you squint (except that first sentence, that's just funny).

And also to his credit that sword looks badass. I was very sad when I out leveled it

That was his main reason for keeping it, and why I expected shit and got gold.

[lilbubbles]

If I play dps and ignore the threat meter I will hold hate on anything I attack, period. No tank in the world can stop me. All a good tank does is allow me to get more dps in before backing off. Some tanks are really bad and I have time to alt tab and check the news real quick before attacking again, but I still don't pull hate because I use the meter lol.

This leads me to conclude, some of you guys are really bad at the game and think the tank is magically keeping the monster from hitting you.

[Khary]

Lilbubbles, I think you win a prize for the most ridiculous statement I've read all day.

[Andradi]

Are you a bard or some kind of magical unicorn deeps?

I routinely blow both of my cooldowns as a DRG right at the start of a fight and don't take hate from the tank (usually at a similar gear level). It will be close, but the multipliers on the tank combos seem to be pretty good insurance.

[Seravi Edalborez]

If I play dps and ignore the threat meter I will hold hate on anything I attack, period. No tank in the world can stop me. All a good tank does is allow me to get more dps in before backing off. Some tanks are really bad and I have time to alt tab and check the news real quick before attacking again, but I still don't pull hate because I use the meter lol.

This leads me to conclude, some of you guys are really bad at the game and think the tank is magically keeping the monster from hitting you.

I'm sorry every tank you played with is terrible then. You're right, it isn't magic. Yet they still fail at it.

[Jem]

If I play dps and ignore the threat meter I will hold hate on anything I attack, period. No tank in the world can stop me. All a good tank does is allow me to get more dps in before backing off. Some tanks are really bad and I have time to alt tab and check the news real quick before attacking again, but I still don't pull hate because I use the meter lol.

This leads me to conclude, some of you guys are really bad at the game and think the tank is magically keeping the monster from hitting you.

You're not playing with good enough tanks then. DPS shouldn't be able to pull hate no matter how hard they try except at the very start of a fight if they hit it before the tank positions and gets going.

[3.141592]

If I play dps and ignore the threat meter I will hold hate on anything I attack, period. No tank in the world can stop me. All a good tank does is allow me to get more dps in before backing off. Some tanks are really bad and I have time to alt tab and check the news real quick before attacking again, but I still don't pull hate because I use the meter lol.

This leads me to conclude, some of you guys are really bad at the game and think the tank is magically keeping the monster from hitting you.

I wonder how exactly tanks manage to hold hate in fights, where DDs have to go all out because of the dps race. Gotta be some really shitty DDs then.

[lilbubbles]

I wonder how exactly tanks manage to hold hate in fights, where DDs have to go all out because of the dps race. Gotta be some really shitty DDs then.

I can't think of any encounter where there is a actual dps race you stand a chance of losing and the dps are on the boss 100% of the time. Most encounters have a mechanic where the dps go do something else while the tank stays on the boss, or the dps race itself is on something that doesn't have a threat table.

Very few boss encounters keep the dps on the boss 100% of the time and the ones that do you would only fail if the dps were so badly geared they were behind the healer in threat.

[Elcura]

If I play dps and ignore the threat meter I will hold hate on anything I attack, period. No tank in the world can stop me.

I can't think of any encounter where there is a actual dps race you stand a chance of losing and the dps are on the boss 100% of the time. Most encounters have a mechanic where the dps go do something else while the tank stays on the boss, or the dps race itself is on something that doesn't have a threat table.

Very few boss encounters keep the dps on the boss 100% of the time and the ones that do you would only fail if the dps were so badly geared they were behind the healer in threat.

Thank you so much for posting this. It's like being on a rollercoaster.

[Kirbyprime]

Although not a major race... T4, if you can rip hate off a tank on dreadnought your tank fails. Otherwise, not possible.

T1 snake, if you aren't sliming. If you can rip hate off a tank ever, tank sucks.

Hell, WP boss, if you can rip hate off tank, they suck.

[ZarakiKujata]

If I play dps and ignore the threat meter I will hold hate on anything I attack, period. No tank in the world can stop me. All a good tank does is allow me to get more dps in before backing off. Some tanks are really bad and I have time to alt tab and check the news real quick before attacking again, but I still don't pull hate because I use the meter lol.

This leads me to conclude, some of you guys are really bad at the game and think the tank is magically keeping the monster from hitting you.

Your stupidity is so powerful it managed to get Kirby and Sera laughing so hard on that I had to come check this thread.

Get better tanks.

[Ksandra]

I need a banish to the OF card.


holy crap.

[Jem]

Turn 2 ADS, if you stack then after initial rot rotation DPS are free to go all out other than dodging moves (which tanks have to do more than the DPS). Tanks also have interrupt duty and dips in optimal threat generation during changeovers.

That's probably the fight that is most stacked in favor of DPS being able to pull hate and yet they still don't if your tanks are even remotely competent.

[3.141592]

"You're all just a bunch of noobs"-post incoming in 3...2...1...

[Carth]

If I play dps and ignore the threat meter I will hold hate on anything I attack, period. No tank in the world can stop me. All a good tank does is allow me to get more dps in before backing off. Some tanks are really bad and I have time to alt tab and check the news real quick before attacking again, but I still don't pull hate because I use the meter lol.

This leads me to conclude, some of you guys are really bad at the game and think the tank is magically keeping the monster from hitting you.

What the fuck did I just read?

Holy shit.

[Raineer]

If I play dps and ignore the threat meter I will hold hate on anything I attack, period. No tank in the world can stop me. All a good tank does is allow me to get more dps in before backing off. Some tanks are really bad and I have time to alt tab and check the news real quick before attacking again, but I still don't pull hate because I use the meter lol.

This leads me to conclude, some of you guys are really bad at the game and think the tank is magically keeping the monster from hitting you.

Challenge accepted, and my gear isn't even "good" by any means.

[Kiarax]

If I play dps and ignore the threat meter I will hold hate on anything I attack, period. No tank in the world can stop me. All a good tank does is allow me to get more dps in before backing off. Some tanks are really bad and I have time to alt tab and check the news real quick before attacking again, but I still don't pull hate because I use the meter lol.

This leads me to conclude, some of you guys are really bad at the game and think the tank is magically keeping the monster from hitting you.

This is just fucking beautiful all round.