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  1. #1841
    E. Body
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    Warren Castille
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocl View Post
    I don't get what roulette using DF has to do w/ Moogle-Ex.
    ...Ex. EX. Welp, this is what I get for not knowing how to read. Disregard me, I'm retarded.

  2. #1842
    Campaign
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    Sean Kipling
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    Was a lot of work on the other officer's and myself, but we finally got all 5 of our groups through Turn 9. Phew.

  3. #1843
    The Defense is ready, Your Honor
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    ^ Five separate groups through T9 is a hell of an accomplishment. Strong-ass FC there.

  4. #1844
    Ridill
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    Sath Fenrir
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    Going into DF with absolutely no knowledge, not even so much as a google, is purely a waste of everyone's time.

    Nobody is going to stick around long enough for you to get any practical knowledge. Oh, you got 2 pulls out of it did you? Manage to see 15% of the fight twice, eh?

    Thoroughly enlightening, I'm sure.

  5. #1845
    Ridill
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    Twice in like two weeks I've had an ilvl55ish healer who DPSed and healed better than most daystar healers I find.

  6. #1846
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    Neon Sea
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    Wasn't planning on it as my static basically fell apart at the start of the patch, but one of my fgc boys got me a clear for t6! No loot and only the third time I even went into t6 so good enough for me.

  7. #1847
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    Quote Originally Posted by layoneil View Post
    that's what PF is for. the community is too vast for that expectation out of DF, if that offends you grow a thicker skin.
    No. PF allows you to create a learning group with other people who don't know what the fuck they're doing. Why would you use DF to screw over 7 other people and make an ass of yourself? It doesn't make any sense. You're not even going to learn anything because people will leave after you wipe the group repeatedly for stupid shit.

  8. #1848
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    1) DF is easier to queue up for
    2) DF is more "anonymous"
    3) Maybe you can get a carry
    4) setting up a PF and putting your name on the line in public is scary

    that's what people are thinking when they queue for DF blindly.

  9. #1849
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    ^ Especially now that everyone new gets their Titan carries so easily that way, it's become the de facto expectation (unfortunately for them, it's rare that anyone competent goes into the DF for Ex primals or anything else that requires a brain)

  10. #1850
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadgye View Post
    No. PF allows you to create a learning group with other people who don't know what the fuck they're doing.
    PF also allows you to create a group with other people who do know what they're doing (in theory, at least). Sounds like that's what you should be using if you care about people meeting any sort of expectations.

    You can argue all day about the correct use of DF but nothing's going to change the fact that you can't stop inexperienced players from using it. You know exactly what you're getting into when you let the game create your group for you.

  11. #1851
    CoP Dynamis
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    Quote Originally Posted by solracht View Post
    PF also allows you to create a group with other people who do know what they're doing (in theory, at least). Sounds like that's what you should be using if you care about people meeting any sort of expectations.
    PF allows you to create a group with other people who claim they know what they're doing and lets you specify (in terms of ilvl) how far they have to have been carried to be eligible.

    Obligatory random praise: The fact that BLM tanking is now a viable way to get through WP when the real tank sees the WHM's sub-3k HP and insta-bails.

  12. #1852
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    You can argue all day about the correct use of DF but nothing's going to change the fact that you can't stop inexperienced players from using it. You know exactly what you're getting into when you let the game create your group for you.
    I expect to get people who haven't mastered the fight when I try to DF stuff, and I'll try to tell them what to do to help them out. But going in completely blind without even watching a video for old content is straight up pants on head. It's almost as bad as the people who don't speak up when I ask "Does everyone know the fight?" and then they keep dieing to stupid shit because they don't know the fight. If you would have just mentioned what you don't understand, I could spell it out for you.

  13. #1853
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    Random praise: Had some 4:35 2flox runs today with only one i110 weapon and both DPS were BLM. Kicker was it was a PF too. Average after like 20ish runs was somewhere around 4:50. Pleasantly surprised. Also hit 312 DPS on the second boss as WAR with Animus, that made me pretty happy.

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  15. #1855
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    Even if you get like 5 Seals per monster and need 500 to get a sand, it's still one sand less to go for into friggin CT.

    edit: damn, what's with all those good dps in roulette all of a sudden? Blms, who know their rotations, Brds, that actually sing, Drgs, who keep piercing debuff up. Stop spoiling me ppl, i know it's not gonna last :/

  16. #1856
    Ze NinjaSYXX
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    Gdamn that's awesome! Also praise, double mnk drops from t8 last night (hands and bracelet), so now my whole right side is i110 w/ full HA and unweathered gloam ring. Mnk is now i107 :D

  17. #1857
    BG's most likeable Québécois
    Pens win! Pens Win!!! PENS WIN!!!!!

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    Yup really happy for oil,and sand from hunt

  18. #1858
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    easier to "bis" with out waiting forever to be in line for an oil and sand will be welcomed

  19. #1859
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaano View Post
    easier to "bis" with out waiting forever to be in line for an oil and sand will be welcomed
    Thank god! I keep forgetting what BiS even is coz the timeline is soooooo stretched out.

  20. #1860
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    Oh that is so sweet, damn this next patch is gonna be dope. SE coming around, slowly..

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