Titan Fight

[Niiro]

Tangentially related: I heard someone mention to me in a titan group that the person that executes the melee LB doesn't matter and that the damage is based on an average of the party's stats.

I was on DRG with a lesser geared MNK and when I said I'd handle LB he said to let him do it because of this (even acknowledging my gear was better therefore my time was better spent DDing while he did the LB). He mentioned something about someone testing this in an OF thread but I've never heard anything of it again.

It would kind of make sense, the tank and healer LBs aren't based on character stats afaik. The tank ones reduce damage by set %s (up 100% at LB3) and I assume the healer ones work in a similar way (up to full raise/cure at LB3) so it would kind of make sense that damage LBs wouldn't be based simply off of the user's stats.

Purely anecdotal but I can't say I notice a significant difference in damage when LBing with or without B4B, and a 30% increase is definitely something you'd notice even for an LB1.

Has there ever been any formal testing on how LB damage works or what actually effects it?

[Icarian]

There was a thread on reddit about this, apparently the only thing that affects LB damage is the weapons ilvl of the party. You could do it naked as long as the party has their relics on, the damage wont change, so in the end it doesn't matter who does the LB, it'll do the same damage.

[Eldelphia]

Finally.

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[Elcura]

There's no difference between doing LB3 on MNK with BfB or GL3 or without, but I haven't tested it extensively and just going off what I've seen. I get the same damage with buffs or without, and it makes sense to do it this way since otherwise there would be too many variables in damage (and who gets to LB).

I would assume the same for mage LB, that it's based on the party rather than the individual?

[Niiro]

There was a thread on reddit about this, apparently the only thing that affects LB damage is the weapons ilvl of the party. You could do it naked as long as the party has their relics on, the damage wont change, so in the end it doesn't matter who does the LB, it'll do the same damage.

Do you happen to have a link?

It certainly makes sense I'd just like to see the test myself.

[Icarian]

Do you happen to have a link?

It certainly makes sense I'd just like to see the test myself.

Nope, that was like a month ago or so :<

[Taruranto]

I did with a WAR a bunch of times, no problems whatsoever. Unfortunately the game is plagued with bad healers so easy mode PLD allow them to bypass some stuff in the fight and pay less attention.

[Niiro]

That kind of goes for everything, a competent group can down Titan regardless of setup (within reason) but the less experienced people are, the less geared, the more connection issues, etc. and the advantages of PLD become more and more apparent.

As people have said, this is mostly a healer fight, and PLD goes a long way toward making that easier. Not just as far as their own damage taken but things like hate management and Halone's debuff helping mitigate Tumult damage.

Sidenote: BRDs that don't Rain of Death before Tumults need to gtfo.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Tumult is magical so only Supervirus and Rain of Death (please, I never see BRDs outside of FC doing this lol) would reduce it I believe (and duh Soil/Eye/damage reduction stuff, just talking debuffs). Halone is helping on Mountain Buster, of course.

At least I'm pretty sure it is since for BLM it's blocked by Mana(magic damage thing) instead of Mana(physical thing)

[Ratatapa]

Tumult is magical so only Supervirus and Rain of Death (please, I never see BRDs outside of FC doing this lol) would reduce it I believe (and duh Soil/Eye/damage reduction stuff, just talking debuffs). Halone is helping on Mountain Buster, of course.

Bird don't use rain of death cuz it cost too much tp

( that's the excuse they give me)

[Niiro]

Tumult is magical so only Supervirus and Rain of Death (please, I never see BRDs outside of FC doing this lol) would reduce it I believe (and duh Soil/Eye/damage reduction stuff, just talking debuffs). Halone is helping on Mountain Buster, of course.

That just sounds totally bass ackwards.

I knew Buster was physical (despite it looking like it'd be an earth elemental attack) but why would Tumult be magic damage? He's just stomping the damn ground.

[Ksandra]

Sidenote: BRDs that don't keep Rain of Death all the time need to gtfo.

ftfy. Never understood brds that don't just throw this into their rotation during big healing fights (or any boss for that matter). It's not like the dmg is THAT BAD that it gimps you significantly. And it's on long enough that you don't have to spam it.

But I guess I am still in the ffxi mindset of having brds be support.

[Ratatapa]

ftfy. Never understood brds that don't just throw this into their rotation during big healing fights (or any boss for that matter). It's not like the dmg is THAT BAD that it gimps you significantly. And it's on long enough that you don't have to spam it.

But I guess I am still in the ffxi mindset of having brds be support.

Mots pug bards dont Know how to manage tp so 275? Tp is hard for them

[Seravi Edalborez]

200 for Rain of Death. I've run dry once or twice but then Titan and Garuda are the only fights I ever really need to think about TP so haven't learned to be super attentive to Invigorate.

As for stomps being magical, assuming they didn't want it to be blocked or parried and they don't know how to make just a physical unblockable so now it's magical. Or shockwaves. Or science. *shrug*

Pointless aside: don't be a retard like me and put Virus on a bomb instead of Titan.

[Ratatapa]

200 for Rain of Death. I've run dry once or twice but then Titan and Garuda are the only fights I ever really need to think about TP so haven't learned to be super attentive to Invigorate.

As for stomps being magical, assuming they didn't want it to be blocked or parried and they don't know how to make just a physical unblockable so now it's magical. Or shockwaves. Or science. *shrug*

Pointless aside: don't be a retard like me and put Virus on a bomb instead of Titan.

Wait till you see people lb the bomb or the prison

[Rocl]

I've always understood that 200 TP every 20s for the entirety of the fight would end up starving the Bard's TP which ends up in a net DPS loss.

That aside, like a PLD tank, it isn't required to heal by any means.

[Niiro]

To keep it up the whole fight would seem really unnecessary to me, Tumult is the only time everyone is guaranteed to take massive amounts of unavoidable damage.

[Carth]

Pointless aside: don't be a retard like me and put Virus on a bomb instead of Titan.

Did anyone get hit by it?

[Ksandra]

I've always understood that 200 TP every 20s for the entirety of the fight would end up starving the Bard's TP which ends up in a net DPS loss.

I haven't had an issue with it, but I am pretty good at spamming invigorate.

[edit] def wouldn't do it on the first phase of garuda though because of plumes.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Did anyone get hit by it?

I put it on after Burst but before depop so... just full-on derp moment.