Pugilist/monk discussion

[Lucavi]

^ Fracture is probably the third.

[Kiarax]

Yup, Fracture at 220 potency, Demolish at 240 and Touch of Death at 270. If TP isn't an issue you should be keeping up all 3 as much as possible, since they're the highest damage per GCD. Can slot both Fracture and ToD in np between your combos and maintain them + GL3.

[Jahaudant]

dl body is garbage anyway!
Str : +20, Acc: +27 Vit: +22 Det: +13

hq militia harness with 4 materia
Str : +14 Vit: +15 Det: +16, Dex +14, Crit hit rate +13, mater is slots = +10 crit hit rate, +12 skill speed

10 crit and 12 skill speed is not better than 6 STR.

See below spoiler.

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Here's the damage formula for skills.
(Potency/100) x [((0.0032 x STR + 0.4162) x WD) + (0.1 x STR – 0.3529) + ((DTR – 202) x 0.035))] x (1 + (0.5 x (0.0693 x CRT – 18.486)/100))

Interesting things to note, potency is a multiplier. 200 potency attacks hit 2x as hard as 100 and 300 potency attacks hit 3x as hard.
Here's the formula for your auto attack. It's pretty much exactly the same except instead of "potency" the first term is just auto attack listed damage divided by weapon damage.

(WAA/WD) x [((0.0032 x STR + 0.4162) x WD) + (0.1 x STR – 0.3529) + ((DTR – 202) x 0.11))] x (1 + (0.5 x (0.0693 x CRT – 18.486)/100))

So anyway, that looks complicated and you don't have time to plug stuff in there and check out how it behaves, so I saved you some trouble. My Bard is relic geared with almost full darklight (missing like 2 pieces) and here's what the equations look like for her.

Current Stats:
[((0.0032 * 425 + 0.4162) * 40) + (0.1 * 425 – 0.3529) + ((224 – 202) * 0.035))] * (1 + (0.5 * (0.0693 * 452 – 18.486)/100)) = 121.28

+1 Dex (primary stat):
[((0.0032 * 426 + 0.4162) * 40) + (0.1 * 426 – 0.3529) + ((224 – 202) * 0.035))] * (1 + (0.5 * (0.0693 * 452 – 18.486)/100)) = 121.52

+1 DTR:
[((0.0032 * 425 + 0.4162) * 40) + (0.1 * 425 – 0.3529) + ((225 – 202) * 0.035))] * (1 + (0.5 * (0.0693 * 452 – 18.486)/100)) = 121.32

+1 CRT:
[((0.0032 * 425 + 0.4162) * 40) + (0.1 * 425 – 0.3529) + ((224 – 202) * 0.035))] * (1 + (0.5 * (0.0693 * 453 – 18.486)/100)) = 121.32 (this does not factor in the added bonus crit provides Bards where when my DoTs crit I get free Bloodletter procs, so crit is slightly better than this number shows).

+1 WD:
[((0.0032 * 425 + 0.4162) * 41) + (0.1 * 425 – 0.3529) + ((224 – 202) * 0.035))] * (1 + (0.5 * (0.0693 * 452 – 18.486)/100)) = 123.17

So in summary, for someone who is almost full dark light with a relic weapon:
1 DTR/CRT* = .033% damage increase
1 DEX = .2% damage increase
1 WD = 1.55% damage increase

See also this calculator: http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=260

Now please stop misinforming an already heavily disadvantaged job.

[Kiarax]

Without considering Gryphonskin (aka poorfag/entry gear) you want Militia Barbut, Subligar and Caligae over DL. Darklight body/hands are good, as are all the accessories. Crafted/peltast are only ever so marginally worse in a few cases so if you wanna save tokens they're perfectly viable alternatives. If you're gearing for coil you need to prioritize some accuracy with your melds or shift to some of the acc heavy DL pieces.

[Elcura]

Yup, Fracture at 220 potency, Demolish at 240 and Touch of Death at 270. If TP isn't an issue you should be keeping up all 3 as much as possible, since they're the highest damage per GCD. Can slot both Fracture and ToD in np between your combos and maintain them + GL3.

Hardest thing about this is not overusing ToD as you'll burn TP stupid fast doing that (along with others). Fracture and Demolish go quite well together, if you do Demolish to Fracture in GL3 the expiration timers line up nicely.

[miokomioko]

Fracture. 100 potency + 120 potency worth of DoT.

edit: goddamnit fuking pages!

[arlee]

Without considering Gryphonskin (aka poorfag/entry gear) you want Militia Barbut, Subligar and Caligae over DL. Darklight body/hands are good, as are all the accessories. Crafted/peltast are only ever so marginally worse in a few cases so if you wanna save tokens they're perfectly viable alternatives. If you're gearing for coil you need to prioritize some accuracy with your melds or shift to some of the acc heavy DL pieces.

not sure how much it is on your server but on mine, gryphonskin gear is way more expensive than militia stuff.

[Kiarax]

You misunderstand, I was saying militia/DL is entry gear for those that can't afford (or just don't wanna spend) Gryphonskin. If you do go for it I'm sure it can beat out DL in every slot, but I haven't looked up what kinda stat caps it has.

[arlee]

You misunderstand, I was saying militia/DL is entry gear for those that can't afford (or just don't wanna spend) Gryphonskin. If you do go for it I'm sure it can beat out DL in every slot, but I haven't looked up what kinda stat caps it has.

Ah I see, but yeah stat caps for GR stuff well at least STR/VIT is what the HQ version is. As for the other stats such as Crit Rate, Accuracy, and so on it usually is whichever stat has the highest #

[Navyguy]

10 crit and 12 skill speed is not better than 6 STR.

See below spoiler.

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See also this calculator: http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=260

Now please stop misinforming an already heavily disadvantaged job.

I didn't "misinform" anybody, the stats are right there. I posted my setup because that is the rout I went. I might have been harsh calling DL garbage but honestly for the most part it is, would I be better off using DL body idk however It was about 150% easier to obtain and make my current body rather then DL. 10k for HQ body, 4/4 on materia I made seemed like a better deal.

[Churchill]

1.5% crit rate for 150% damage 1.5% of the time or 3% damage at all times

[Navyguy]

11 CM runs later and i got my new body piece^^ Materia went 1/1, 1/1, 1/3, 1/1, 1/11
Food is HQ stuffed Cabbage

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http://imageshack.us/a/img546/91/vgrn.png

[Nitsuki]

and thanks to this thread, i'm putting heavy consideration into what i should be spending my tokens on (First plan AF2 head). At the same time i'm saving up for are DL body and hands. Pretty much prepping for coils and getting rid of the rest of my peltast first. What should i be going for with Feet (DL, gryphonskin, AF2)?

[Berabouman]

So Fracture is worth it even without the Marauder trait?

[miokomioko]

Yes.

It's 100 potency up front and another 120 via DoT. That's going to be one of your strongest attacks, added up.

[Jahaudant]

I didn't "misinform" anybody, the stats are right there. I posted my setup because that is the rout I went. I might have been harsh calling DL garbage but honestly for the most part it is, would I be better off using DL body idk however It was about 150% easier to obtain and make my current body rather then DL. 10k for HQ body, 4/4 on materia I made seemed like a better deal.

If DL body is garbage because it takes more than 4 CM runs to complete then we may as well disregard all AF2 and Allagan as well - that shit takes entire weeks to get. You are better off getting Militia it's way easier.

[Icarian]

I wish there was a way to make tracking dots easier on the eyes, having them move around and being the same size as all the other 5-10 dots on a boss at any given time while being small as fuck can get tiresome, also if there's another MNK in the group it gets worse because the color difference is very subtle. Add to that that my vision is not the best and I find myself reapplying ToD when there's 4-6 seconds left because it doesn't line up with Demolish.

I'm thinking about replacing ToD with Fracture, even if it has 50 less potency overall, it does line up with Demolish and I won't waste 1-2 ticks, at least until they make it easier to track your dots (at least make them always show the first ones or something), having them shuffle around nonstop while being so small is a pita.

[Navyguy]

If DL body is garbage because it takes more than 4 CM runs to complete then we may as well disregard all AF2 and Allagan as well - that shit takes entire weeks to get. You are better off getting Militia it's way easier.

Yes I know the time it takes to get 800+ tomestones. I was simply saying for your time/money there are other options. i.e. get HQ militia and save your points to buy items to have HQ lvl 70 gear made, only 2-3 runs more. AF2 gear/Allagan gear is amazing lol do w/e it takes to get your gear. DL however is not thus this discussion.

[Churchill]

Technically AF2 is shit too, but this Militia/DL discussion is totes so carry on.

[Tsutsumiko]

Question: Where are people inserting Fracture into their rotations? It just feels awkward to me compared to ToD and Demolish to use.

I can start fights with ToD and then go into a rotation which has Demolish in it but then comes that awkward moment of where to put Fracture. Just open with double DOTs before going into the rotation instead? Feels like without Perfect Balance, it's a massive headache on where to stick the move into the rotation in the first place. I still use it because it's so strong but I can't help but think my placement of it is not optimal and I'd like to get inputs on where to put it.