Pugilist/monk discussion

**Elcura** · 2013-10-30 13:59

Like I said before, even at 420 skill speed TP will become an issue for MNKs over the course of fights that exceed about 5 mins. But that only usually happens if you throw in DOTs so you can recover TP by eliminating them from rotation (which isn't ideal). However, the closer you get to 2s the more likely you are to run out of TP even without DOTs in rotation.

I'm still on the fence, but I'm slowly getting more skillspeed stuff so I'm keeping it on the backburner until I get more drops/mythos.

**Voyage1970** · 2013-10-30 14:04

Originally Posted by Icarian

IIRC 100 Skill Speed = -0.10 GCD (or 10 Skill Speed = 0.01), so you'd need 50ish Speed to get down to 2s from 2.05s.

Pretty sure GL skill speed % is calculated after base skill speed from your Skill Speed stat. So he'd need 2.05/.85 = 2.4117 but since it floors values after the hundreds decimal would be 2.42 (2.42*.85=2.057 > Floored to 2.05). He would need to go from 2.42 base to 2.36 base (2.36*.85 = 2.006 floored to 2.00) so he'd need about 60 assuming he doesn't have any overflow from before. If it really is a flat 10 Skill Speed = .01 GCD then 481 should be the base to shoot for to get to 2.36 you need before GL.

**Icarian** · 2013-10-30 14:56

I see myself running out of TP during the last 10-15% on Caduceus and... way too early on Twintania with 450~ Speed, which is why I'm leaning towards a CRIT/DET build rather than a Speed one, a Skill Speed build might have higher burst and have no issues using True Strike, but it'll run out of gas so early that it makes it not worth it IMO, if you have to cut on DoTs or whatever to make up for it you're making it even worse.

Meanwhile a CRIT/DET build makes all your damage go up, not just GCD WSs, while not having so many problems keeping TP

**Shaano** · 2013-10-31 16:20

Time to work on two gear sets

**Venussama** · 2013-10-31 16:30

Noooo ones enough

I'm done with the days of a millio gear sets xD

**Venussama** · 2013-11-01 07:02

So I gave in and got the hands xD only changed my Gcd from 2.37 to 2.38 so I can live with that!!

I thought that might be too long a cooldown but in longer fights I am getting close to running out of TP so as of right now I guess i'll stick to crit

Thanks for the input guys!!

Now! New question!! XD what are the best pieces of Melee gear to get first? I have
Been unsuccessful so far in finding a good coil group so that gear is currently off the table.
I have yet to start investing in the crafted goodies

**Nexxus** · 2013-11-01 08:51

i'd say body, because it's turn 5 and hard to reach (plus it's +34 Acc~, it's become important in Coil). So if you have hard time finding a good group but you still try your best, i'd say you could pass the turn 1~2 and have some luck on Pants/Hands/Accessories.
Feets Allagan/Melee are the same. and drop from Turn 4.

**Nitsuki** · 2013-11-01 08:57

Originally Posted by Venussama

Now! New question!! XD what are the best pieces of Melee gear to get first? I have
Been unsuccessful so far in finding a good coil group so that gear is currently off the table.
I have yet to start investing in the crafted goodies

I went head (BiS) and then feet (didn't care, think they look awesome) i'm getting body next week asap.

**Voyage1970** · 2013-11-01 10:31

Originally Posted by Nitsuki

I went head (BiS) and then feet (didn't care, think they look awesome) i'm getting body next week asap.

Pretty much what I did, except I got lucky with feet drop in Turn 4 so I saved myself 495 Mythology.

**Elcura** · 2013-11-01 12:03

Head > Body was my order, would've gotten feet too if not for allagan.

**Obsidian** · 2013-11-01 13:03

Allagan feet look far superior to Melee gaiters though.

**shidobu** · 2013-11-01 13:34

whats the meld cap on gryphon boots for mnk +12 crit?

**Raldo** · 2013-11-01 13:40

Should be +16, since HQ Spruce, HQ BRD Gryph, and DL Nuking feet all have +16.

**Someonher** · 2013-11-01 15:48

It is +16 according to this: http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4468/y0to.png

**Seravi Edalborez** · 2013-11-01 18:11

So it's only going to be relevant for like 2 seconds before relic, but:
Garuda's Talons vs Murderous Mogfists? Or boiled down, 29 skill speed vs 20 crit.

**shidobu** · 2013-11-01 19:56

Originally Posted by Seravi Edalborez

So it's only going to be relevant for like 2 seconds before relic, but:
Garuda's Talons vs Murderous Mogfists? Or boiled down, 29 skill speed vs 20 crit.

mogfists cuz all that adorableness on your hands. Too much

**Nitsuki** · 2013-11-02 01:27

So reconsidering my build cuz you know, the mentality is trying to throw all the crit possible but your acc will end up being ass. Let's put turn 4/5 drops aside. Next week i'll be getting my AF2 body. And i'll have enough myths for the week after for my first accessory. Here's my current gear as of next week w/ af2 body.

Af2 head
Af2 body
Darklight hands (hoping for allagan drop)
Darklight belt
Allagan legs
AF2 feet
Darklight striking earring/neck/bracelet/ring1
Allagan ring of striking

Now the week after, i'm considering the hero's belt which gives +16 skill speed and +11 acc also big str+vit upgrade, or hero's necklace big str upgrade +11 acc/+16 crit.

Would hero's belt be something to consider my current gearset? I like to balance crit and skillspeed. I'm sitting on 469 acc and 464 crit unbuffed, but my skillspeed is like a shitty 424. My food is hq deviled eggs also.

**Shaano** · 2013-11-02 02:24

It must be a curse of mnk or just be, but the one time didn't go mnk to coil shit dropped

stuck gearing blm now.

**BerenTebogo** · 2013-11-03 23:46

Anyone have screenshots of the Allagan Striking set? Want to see what it looks like.

**shidobu** · 2013-11-04 00:30

Originally Posted by SathFenrir

Anyone have screenshots of the Allagan Striking set? Want to see what it looks like.

all 3 mele dps sets look exactly the same... its fucking lazy on SE-s part

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