Pugilist/monk discussion

[Icarian]

This is the set I'm using right now: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/LNVQ




This one is a bit better, I've been toying with it for several weeks and I think I'll go for the bracelet next week when I'm done with BLM.

Sucks not having a set able to down Twintania, been stuck in T4 for 4 months already :<...

[Ratatapa]

That site is awsome i'll be ablt o freely toy with it

THANKS

[freyra]

So with all the changes to gear and DET geting better what does the BIS look like now with turn 5 drops in the end, is it still this

Allagan punchies
melee crown
allagan body
allagan gloves
Allagan Tassets
Melee Legs
Allagan Boots
Allagan Choker (maiming)
allagan earring maiming
allagan wrist maiming
Allagan Ring X2 (striking and Maiming)
?

[Obsidian]

Depends on whether you're in Coil or not but I'd use Hero's choker over Maiming and Titan earrings over Allagan regardless. Then if you're outside Coil I'd use Allagan head over Melee, dunno if swapping legs to Allagan would be worth it, dunno if swapping one of the rings (can't remember which one has less DET) to Vortex would be worth it either but probably worth considering at least. Allagan choker of Striking might be worth using outside Coil as well.

[Judai]

So Mr Happy released a mnk video with a screwy Perfect Balance rotation, so I'm wondering what everyone else does for PB?

[Obsidian]

Without Greased Lightning, usually Snap Punch > Twin Snakes > Snap Punch > Dragon Kick > Demolish. I don't know if I have enough skill speed to get that fifth move off without at least 1 GL stack, if I do I could maybe rearrange that order a bit. With GL up I just do four True Strikes and a Demolish at the end. Most practical use I've found for it though is just Rockbreaker spam on groups.

[Seravi Edalborez]

So Mr Happy released a mnk video with a screwy Perfect Balance rotation, so I'm wondering what everyone else does for PB?

For anyone who doesn't wanna sit through it and just pick it apart here:

PB > Demo > B4B > Snap > IR > Snap > HowlingFist > Snakes > Steel Peak > DK > ToD > Boot > True > Demo.

I have literally .01s more recast reduction (402 speed, 2.44s no GL, 2.07 GL3) than Judai above and he can't do this, whereas I/Mrhappy's footage can but it's so close GL3 falls off during the last Demo and comes back on at the end of the animation.

[Judai]

Well, I can get 5 off, but with the rotation he released, I lose GL3 before the final demolish, which he barely gets off, so he gears some ss, lol. I'm not sure if I can do 5 when I finish gearing up though.

ad yea @ above

[Tsutsumiko]

Snap, B4B, Snap, IR, DK, Steel, Twin, HF, Demo, Fracture, TOD.

[Judai]

Currently I have;

Twin> B4B> Snap> IR> Snap> Howl> Demo> Steel> True

then ToD> normal Flank> Back rotations.

[Obsidian]

Perfect Balance doesn't grant forms so you lose the 10% Dragon Kick buff for an entire rotation if you don't do it at some point during your PB combo (assuming you're using it to get GL back up which is pretty much all I ever use it for).

[Judai]

Hmm, for some reason I thought dk buff didn't apply during PB but just tested it. Guess I'll work on it some more.

[Seravi Edalborez]

PB counts as being in every stance at once (you'll notice every stance has 10s duration, just like PB).

[Detzu]

We were talking about the use of One Ilm Punch few pages ago, anyone have already tried that on the soldiers in turn 4? Does it remove their stoneskin or is it exclusively removed with dmg?

[vas]

1ip doesn't remove the soldier stoneskin. Feels more like number of hits honestly.

[Obsidian]

It's undispellable. Odds are, if it's something you think One Ilm Punch might be useful for, it'll be undispellable.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Pretty much the only useful thing One Ilm can be used on is Haukke HM final boss's Stoneskin.

[Detzu]

Well I found another mob where OIP is useful : the fate's sawaghin that must be defeated to unlock Crystal Tower.
But that's about it. It's sad.

[Jinroh]

You can also use OIP to dispel King's Will on Dullahans. :3

[Kintoun]

For anyone who doesn't wanna sit through it and just pick it apart here:

PB > Demo > B4B > Snap > IR > Snap > HowlingFist > Snakes > Steel Peak > DK > ToD > Boot > True > Demo.

I have literally .01s more recast reduction (402 speed, 2.44s no GL, 2.07 GL3) than Judai above and he can't do this, whereas I/Mrhappy's footage can but it's so close GL3 falls off during the last Demo and comes back on at the end of the animation.

Howling Fist and Steel Peak doesn't make any sense to do before DK + Snakes, that's 20% DPS loss on both those abilities. Also ideally B4B + IR shouldn't be used before GL3.

My own personal rotation, start of fight:
PB > Demo > Snap > DK > Snakes > B4B > Snap > IR > (PB ends) ToD > BS > Howling > True > Steel > Demo > Fracture.

The goal is fully buffed DoTs up ASAP, attain GL3, and have DK/Snakes up. Demo 1st since Demo is more DPS than Snap after 3 ticks, which we hit. We get the 3rd GL stack AFTER DK + Snakes because it gives us more time til we need to get GL refreshed.

My skill speed might be a tad high so I'm not sure what to do as I start to replace gear =X.