Pugilist/monk discussion

[Kawfee]

This is a bit more "endgame" than the current topic, but I just saw this image posted on lolReddit and it's a nice layout to help compare iLv.90 gear (basically AF+1/Hero's vs Allagan) so you can prioritize your Mythology purchases.

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At first glance, prioritizing crit > det > speed it looks like BISs are:

head: Melee Circlet
body: Allagan Cuirass of Striking
hands: Allagan Gauntlets of Striking
waist: Allagan Tassets of Striking
legs: Allagan Trousers of Striking
feet: (both are identical, lol)
ears: Allagan Earrings of Striking
neck: Hero's Necklace of Slaying
wrists: Allagan Bracelets of Maiming
ring1: Hero's Ring of Slaying
ring2: Allagan Ring of Maiming

(correct me if that's not right)

Excellent find, nice work.

Now do it again for the tier of items just below this (DL vs. Crafted(?) vs. WP/AK/Something else drops? New to 50, all my info comes from this thread and lolreddit).
I jest, mainly, as it seems the earlier posted MNK dps spreadsheet does the job, but if someone wants to take the time to do the homework and make a list, I'll throw lots of meaningless internet platitudes at you <3

[Churchill]

doesn't matter now, but y'all should prolly get a calculator out when you start talking about food.

[Nitsuki]

Well, that's kinda' why I prefaced it with those priorities, I'm not too familiar with the Accuracy needed for Coil mobs.

Someone said in the thread earlier that it's 472.

[miokomioko]

doesn't matter now, but y'all should prolly get a calculator out when you start talking about food.

Am I right in assuming Food is borderline-laughable when it comes to it having a tangible impact? I mean, the most you can get out of a Lv.50** meal is a measly +22.

[Churchill]

More that 341+61))*1.03=414-402=12 which is 10 less than lava toad legs.

[Waraji]

More that 341+61))*1.03=414-402=12 which is 10 less than lava toad legs.

lol

Am I right in assuming Food is borderline-laughable when it comes to it having a tangible impact? I mean, the most you can get out of a Lv.50** meal is a measly +22.

You say Measly +22, but that Measly +22 Accuracy could instead mean +22 (stat that correlates to what you want) from swapping your gear to bump up your DPS considerably. The name of the game is Min Maxing.

[Almalexia]

Lava toad legs also require 2 kinds of clusters to produce. If you don't have a bunch saved up from 1.0, then be prepared to empty your wallet.

[Navyguy]

I make no claims that my build is "better" by no means, it is simply what is working well for me, for the price and for what I've been doing. I have only been doing AK/CM/HMsummons. I don't have a coil group yet. So my setup works well, when I get to 10 posts lol I'll post a picture. My legs and belt are not HQ malitia they are HQ Gryphonskin that took me a bit to farm up.

HQ Gryphonskin legs are
Str: +20 Crit +27 Vit: +22 Det +13 Materia slots are Skill Speed +24 / DL stats Str: +20 Acc: +27 Vit: +22 Skill Speed: +19

HQ Gryphonskin belt
Str: +9 Acc: +9 Vit: +10 Crit +12 Materia slots are Skill Speed +12 / DL stats Str: +9 Acc +12 Vit: +10 Det+6


I'm using DL currently for earrings/bracelets/both rings

[Navyguy]

Well, that's kinda' why I prefaced it with those priorities, I'm not too familiar with the Accuracy needed for Coil mobs.

That set only gives Acc+61

Either way, there's a couple slots you can be certain of BIS because of nice combinations of Crit and Acc (Melee Circlet, Allagan Cuirass of Striking), or same stats (feet), or complete lack of Acc options (Allagan Gauntlets of Striking, feet)... unless you're willing to drop down to something like HQ Gryphonskin just to get Acc in that slot and make up the other stats with x5 melds. Ideally, this chart should have a 3rd column of HQ Gryphonskin with Materia caps.

Note: Lava Toad Legs grants Acc+22 and Crit+9 and Apkallu Omelette grants vice-versa.

Agreed not to mention gryphonskin is a lvl 70 gear which means you can use tier 4 materia if you can afford that kind of thing.

[Nitsuki]

So now a question.

How does everyone do their rotations?

I have Blood for Blood for one of my subabilites

I have found 2 ways of doing things:

(I have my combo macros as well)

1) lazy way (flank only) - DK > Twin Snakes > Snap Punch / Demolish

2) real way (moving etc) - Flank - DK > Twin > Snap punch > Rear - Bootshine crit > True Strike > Demolish > DK for debuff > twin > snap punch > repeat.

One thing i haven't done is getting the parser (been lazy about downloading it) to see what i'm doing, just wanted to see what others are doing, if i'm doing anything wrong to maximize my damage.

*edit* My button config if i don't have the combo macros are.

1 - DK
2 - Twin snakes
3 - Snap punch
4 - Bootshine
5 - True strike
6 - Demolish
7 - Rockbreaker
8 - One Ilm Punch

so i basically go flank-1>2>3 behind-4>5>6 behind-4>flank-2>3

[Navyguy]

Spoiler: show

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[Ggrab]

So now a question.

How does everyone do their rotations?

I have Blood for Blood for one of my subabilites

I have found 2 ways of doing things:

(I have my combo macros as well)

1) lazy way (flank only) - DK > Twin Snakes > Snap Punch / Demolish

2) real way (moving etc) - Flank - DK > Twin > Snap punch > Rear - Bootshine crit > True Strike > Demolish > DK for debuff > twin > snap punch > repeat.

One thing i haven't done is getting the parser (been lazy about downloading it) to see what i'm doing, just wanted to see what others are doing, if i'm doing anything wrong to maximize my damage.

*edit* My button config if i don't have the combo macros are.

1 - DK
2 - Twin snakes
3 - Snap punch
4 - Bootshine
5 - True strike
6 - Demolish
7 - Rockbreaker
8 - One Ilm Punch

so i basically go flank-1>2>3 behind-4>5>6 behind-4>flank-2>3

I guess I'm lazy cuz that my rotation w/ blood for blood & IF stack together on each cooldown. & DL3

I never hit it from the back


Also B4B+ IF on DL3 is very OP I'm doing 500+ snap punch w/ a ilvl55 weapon

Can't wait to try it with relic+1

[Kiarax]

I never hit it from the back

plz no

[Churchill]

confirmed for terrible

[Nitsuki]

What's everyone's rotation? I asked for if anyone's doing anything different than what i am?

[Churchill]

A+Q 3 A+E 4 R A+3 A+F E E E E E 3 A+4 4 A+2 R A+5 1 4 E 1 4 E 3 4 R A+5 A+3 1 4 E 1 4 E A+5 3 A+2 4 R A+4 1 4 E

[Nitsuki]

A+Q 3 A+E 4 R A+3 A+F E E E E E 3 A+4 4 A+2 R A+5 1 4 E 1 4 E 3 4 R A+5 A+3 1 4 E 1 4 E A+5 3 A+2 4 R A+4 1 4 E

What? Lol

[Niiro]

It's code, only bads can't read it.

[Lucavi]

A+Q 3 A+E 4 R A+3 A+F E E E E E 3 A+4 4 A+2 R A+5 1 4 E 1 4 E 3 4 R A+5 A+3 1 4 E 1 4 E A+5 3 A+2 4 R A+4 1 4 E

Goddammit, Church. Wherever you go, you win.

[Tsutsumiko]

Snip

Logged in for the first time in ages just to comment on this (long time no see Nitsuki)

Where is Touch of Death? You're insane if it isn't part of your rotation. You're leaving a ton of DPS on the floor.

Point is, unless it's trash, you should be opening with ToD.

Your 2nd rotation should be the standard as the minimum. I would consider using Demolish before Snap in your rotation since the longer the DoT is on, the more damage you'll do. Assuming you're not terrible, you can keep Snakes up full time, so the earlier you use it the better. Same with DK.

The most damage I've been able to put out has been using job abilities in between attacks since they are off GCD and allow you to still increase your damage during times you normally couldn't attack.

i.e. Touch of Death > Perfect Balance > Snakes or DK > Demolish > Snap > Snap > Blood for Blood > DK > Internal Release > Snakes > Howling Fist > Snap > Bootshine > True > Snap > ... etc.

That's just an example rotation. Clearly you don't use things like Peak if the mob needs to be stunned so you build up its resistance.