Something lost when making game so easy/accommodating?

[Achitophel]

Fates have no in-server interaction?
Crafting requests have no in-server interaction?
Shouts for quest help, favors, suggestions and advice have no in-server interaction?
Shouts for dungeon runs have no in-server interaction?
LS shouts/requests/runs have no in-server interaction?
FC shouts/requests/runs have no in-server interaction?

What is this I don't even.

What in Sam Hill did XI have that promoted "community" that XIV does not, aside from content barriers that needed to be overcome before you could actually progress?

@Ksan: Yes, basically XI. We're back at square one again.

Is this a fucking joke post? You "need help" with FATEs? Have you been in a FATE party? No one talks. Everyone spams AoEs.

God help you.

[Gokulo]

Is this a fucking joke post? You "need help" with FATEs? Have you been in a FATE party? No one talks. Everyone spams AoEs.

God help you.

FATE parties. I already have like 3 new friends from those.

[Achitophel]

Are we still talking about difficulty of finding social interaction? Also, has anyone actually tried Temple of Qarn? Got to final boss but ran out of time. 3/4 of us were new to it, and the one guy said he was really impressed that we made it that far for our first time. That was buttfuck hard in terms of boss mechanics to look out for (mini-boss included). Also fuck bees.

The social interaction in dungeons is fine. It can be great, it can be crappy, but that's up to the people there. The problem is you have no guarantee of ever seeing them again, even if both parties would like to.

[Achitophel]

FATE parties. I already have like 3 new friends from those.

I haven't had near that type of experience. Was it at a level where they already had an FC?

[Gokulo]

I haven't had near that type of experience. Was it at a level where they already had an FC?

Exping in Mor Dhona.

[Ksandra]

I think there's a huge difference between asking someone in a building where an office is, having them answer, and going on with my life, and me and the guy teaming up to find the office together in a way neither of us could do by ourselves.

Only one way is the good way to promote a friendly community?

Come on man, you are starting to sound like a whiny baby.

[Achitophel]

One of those is much more effective than the other. I'm sorry if I'm whining about something I'd like to see executed better, but at least I'm whining about a new game, as opposed to folks whining in this thread irrationally about an old game no one is even praising (let done playing).

I mean, do you think they could do more to promote working together outside of instances at low and mid levels? Or is this the best they can possibly do? The game is very fun; I think it could be more fun with some incentives for that.

[Demetrius*]

I met a nice person in a dungeon yesterday. Then the dungeon ended and I'll more than likely never see them again. It's pretty lame, but I think we can all agree that that aspect of the game could use some adjustments. It was cool meeting good/nice players in ffxi parties, or wow dungeons before cross-realm stuff was implemented, since you could always play/talk to them again.

[Ksandra]

I mean, do you think they could do more to promote working together outside of instances at low and mid levels? Or is this the best they can possibly do? The game is very fun; I think it could be more fun with some incentives for that.

Tons in this thread have given you how they promote working together. (You'll get more xp/hour in fate parties, leve parties, etc.) The problem is you sticking your fingers in your ears saying "that's not good enough!"

Why?

They don't need to do more. It's already there. You just refuse to see it for w/e reason.

[Achitophel]

Lol it's not already there, FATE parties don't promote teamwork or interaction, they promote doing the same exact thing you'd do solo in a group. And that doesn't start until much later in the game.

But okay, that's great you think the game is just fine at lower levels at promoting interaction. Some people disagree. To use your line, there's no reason to stick your fingers in your ears and insist they're wrong.

[Achitophel]

I met a nice person in a dungeon yesterday. Then the dungeon ended and I'll more than likely never see them again. It's pretty lame, but I think we can all agree that that aspect of the game could use some adjustments. It was cool meeting good/nice players in ffxi parties, or wow dungeons before cross-realm stuff was implemented, since you could always play/talk to them again.

Apparently no, we can't all agree to that. Anyone who thinks that, in fact, is not only whining but also ignoring everyone else supplying them the "right" answer.

[Lucavi]

FATE parties. I already have like 3 new friends from those.

Because Arch has never experienced it, it clearly doesn't exist. The opposite also rings true: because Arch enjoyed it in XI, it must be the best or only. The millions of players in other games having a smashing time clearly don't know what they've missed.

Damn, and those 3 new entrants to my FC from teaming up on random FATE bosses were so cool, too. I guess they're an illusion or something.

This thread isn't that bad, I just forgot that Arch, aka. Mr. Timeout, was here shitting it up.

[Ksandra]

FATE parties don't promote teamwork or interaction, they promote doing the same exact thing you'd do solo in a group.

pretty sure ffxi was the same.

[Lucavi]

pretty sure ffxi was the same.

Stop attempting to apply logic, Ksan. Teaming up so that two opposing camping groups wouldn't de-evolve into a MPK fest was "community" and nothing else, Ksan.

[Jaybar]

Lol it's not already there, FATE parties don't promote teamwork or interaction, they promote doing the same exact thing you'd do solo in a group. And that doesn't start until much later in the game.

But okay, that's great you think the game is just fine at lower levels at promoting interaction. Some people disagree. To use your line, there's no reason to stick your fingers in your ears and insist they're wrong.

Perhaps YOU are the problem. Your party quiet? Then break the ice. It's almost like....real life social interactions. It's very easy for me to make friends even in /sh (god forbid, right) because I have a positive (and often sarcastic) tone in creating and continuing conversations past the general "Hello" introduction.

[Balb]

Guys listen... You're just old... Old men (and women?) The game isn't holding you back from being sociable, you just don't remember how to make friends or maybe you really don't even care to. The game has to the tools for you to do so, you're just not forced to. Some of you want to be forced. Force yourselves. Otherwise, just quit MMOs b/c you're probably too old anyways.

[ronin sparthos]

The game doesn't accommodate enough social interaction yet. Key word is 'yet' since we're here at launch, barely two weeks into the game. PVP, WvW, Gold Saucer etc are all queued up and have a chance to push alot of friend-making in a way that isn't being in Tanaka's labor camps.

FATEs are largely solo ventures and you're never really encouraged to group up or die since they're meant to be very casual and stress-free, Odin/Behemoth withstanding. Dungeons are cross server and friends made still return to their respective servers once the victory fanfare plays. Storymode is built like any offline FF adventure for solo play and playing DoL/H takes you further into solo territory as you don't really need a cache of friends to supply you with materials.

Even simple question asking isn't really required as the game does a damn good job of explaining most things to you. If you've come from a previous MMO then it's even easier as many of the terms and systems are lifted directly from other titles. Don't know how to gear? The game hands out rewards. Don't understand movement? It's explained.

[Meresgi]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with community. There is, however, something wrong with this twisted notion that some former XI players have that "community" only existed in XI. That other games somehow lacked a sense of community, simply by virtue of being different from XI. That somehow, instances destroy community. That somehow, not having 24-hour pops destroy community (when many MMOs do). That somehow, not having punishing mechanics designed to slow player progress at every turn to increase revenue somehow destroys community (again, these MMOs do).

We've seen this spouted constantly, consistently, for years. Its a complete facility, however, tainted by bias towards a single game. That some XI fanboy could honestly say with open breath that WoW has no sense of community: that the legions of guilds that consistently meet IRL - that the couples that have met and eventually married - that those do not constitute a worthy form of "community" simply by not being XI makes me about as sick as a E-issue potentially could.

Now you've got people crying about being worried that XIV won't have a sense of community for this reason and that reason. I've had plenty of community thus far in XIV, just like I had in WoW, Rift, AoC, TERA, GW2 and XI. Just like I'll have in the next MMO I choose to play.

Absolutely pathetic.

I think the only thing that destroyed community on other MMOs is the ability to easily change your name and making numerous alts. You could be a cockmonger and then just name change/server transfer or make an alt and no one would be the wiser. in FFXI, because it was such a time investment, if you were a douchenozzle to everyone and their mother, your name was known and you were effectively ostracized by the community meaning that you couldn't do much of anything.

In that way it helped reign in people, who because they get their hands on a keyboard attached to the internet flip a shit and go full asbergers mode

[Ksandra]

actually, it should be noted that it's a lot harder to be a dick in other mmos compared to ffxi.

being a dick in other mmos has been reduced to xbox-style shouts of "you suck" and training mobs before getting kicked out of a dungeon/raid (which the person would then get replaced immediately).

So even if you couldn't change names, I don't think people would care that much about the douchebags.

[Meresgi]

actually, it should be noted that it's a lot harder to be a dick in other mmos compared to ffxi.

being a dick in other mmos has been reduced to xbox-style shouts of "you suck" and training mobs before getting kicked out of a dungeon/raid (which the person would then get replaced immediately).

So even if you couldn't change names, I don't think people would care that much about the douchebags.

That doesn't mean its harder, they just like creativity in dickishness lol

FATE parties don't promote teamwork or interaction

How do FATE's not promote interaction and teamwork? Yeah I guess if you're talking about FATES where 50000 people fucking drop down and AoE everything in 2 seconds, but i've started conversations with at least 3 people from FATES just in the past 2 days. Grow a pair and talk to people. I thank people who actually heal my ass as a tank on FATES or joke with other tanks that were there.