Class vs Job

**Spider-Dan** · 2013-09-03 15:40

To be clear, while jobs gain levels through exp, the only way for jobs to get more job abilities (which have traditionally been gained via leveling up) is through job quests. So it's fair to say that jobs functionally "level up" through quests instead of exp.

While on the subject of job vs. class: with the lone exception of SCH, you should not use a job on any event levelcapped below 30.

A level 25 class gets 5 cross-class abilities (from any class).
A level 25 job gets 2 cross-class abilities (restricted to 2 specific classes), zero job abilities, and a small bonus to base stats.

**miokomioko** · 2013-09-03 15:54

I think the exception was SCH since, even while capped below 30, they can still summon a fairy pet since Summon/Summon II are low-level ACN skills that are adjusted simply by having the SCH stone equipped... though they might fix this for whatever reason.

**Amiricle** · 2013-09-03 17:12

Pretty sure that was intentional design so as to hopefully have more healers to go around at any level, although to be honest, that fairy makes low level dungeons a joke. Synced down to help a friend though the first 3 dungeons and I cast physik maybe twice per dungeon.

**Spider-Dan** · 2013-09-03 18:35

Originally Posted by miokomioko

I think the exception was SCH since, even while capped below 30, they can still summon a fairy pet since Summon/Summon II are low-level ACN skills that are adjusted simply by having the SCH stone equipped... though they might fix this for whatever reason.

Yes, because of the way Summon I/II work, SCH essentially gets 6 job abilities (3 for each fairy) at level 20. Plus, not insignificantly, using SCH over ACN puts you in healer queue instead of DPS queue.

I don't think that's an "exploit" unless CNJ/WHM are intended to be the only low-level healer.

**Maaglin** · 2013-09-03 19:35

Do the job quests require groups? Or just lolsingleplayerforever shit? If no groups, who really cares if you get the ability inately through level up or you spend 10mins teleporting around and clicking as fast as possible.

**Seravi Edalborez** · 2013-09-03 19:38

Originally Posted by Maaglin

Do the job quests require groups? Or just lolsingleplayerforever shit? If no groups, who really cares if you get the ability inately through level up or you spend 10mins teleporting around and clicking as fast as possible.

With exception to Duty Finder and main quests that require you to use Duty Finder, every instance is a solo fight.

**Niiro** · 2013-09-03 19:39

Job quest line fights are solo just like the class quest ones, which is the way it should be.

**Krandor** · 2013-09-03 19:40

Originally Posted by Seravi Edalborez

With exception to Duty Finder and main quests that require you to use Duty Finder, every instance is a solo fight.

Relic chain has non duty finder group stuff, but I believe that's the only exception to this.

**Maaglin** · 2013-09-03 19:45

Originally Posted by Niiro

Job quest line fights are solo just like the class quest ones, which is the way it should be.

So it's pretty stupid to argue that jobs don't get abilities via leveling, since actually, they do.

**Niiro** · 2013-09-03 19:52

It's an arbitrary distinction, I don't know who wants to "argue" about it.

Classes got abilities through quests the same way at 15 and 30.

**Carth** · 2013-09-03 19:56

To go back to the original topic of this thread, I've thought about holding off on Paladin until Level 40 when we get Shield Oath, but I checked out the stat gain, and felt it was worth sticking with Paladin from 30 onwards.

Plus I'd have to level Pugilist for Second Wind and I didn't feel like doing that.

**Sonomaa** · 2013-09-03 19:57

So, bear with me here, Im trying to do some research for a friend.
Purely on the value of aesthetics, she hates the summons that summoner gets, she has always, since she found the game (2ish months ago?) been completely addicted to the idea of playing arcanist full time. Will that absolutely make her useless in an endgame scenario or will her damage be closer to summoner with similar gear. Its bugging her a lot so Id like to get a real deal answer so I know whether I can break her heart now or have to break it later when we start doing some random raids.

**Lokus** · 2013-09-03 20:00

Break her heart now. SMN is a better DPS than ACN due not only to abilities that enhance the summon's attack power by 40% (Spur) but Fester is a potent skill that ACN doesn't have access to.

**Seravi Edalborez** · 2013-09-03 20:04

Originally Posted by Lokus

Break her heart now. SMN is a better DPS than ACN due not only to abilities that enhance the summon's attack power by 40% (Spur) but Fester is a potent skill that ACN doesn't have access to.

Yeah, you cannot make up for this. Pet DPS will also be significantly worse as well since Emerald/Topaz Carbuncle are just straight up weaker versions of Garuda/Titan. There is not a whole lot else to use cross-class either that you can't just use as SMN. Like Blood for Blood and I guess Aero. That's about it. It's just bad, sorry.

I guess the upshot is that she CAN do SMN and not have to look at the Egis until 45 if she really wants to go out of her way for it. Just don't use Ifrit ever, don't use tank pet after it becomes Titan at 35, and then you're kind of screwed at 45.

**Waraji** · 2013-09-03 20:04

She could just be a summoner and remove the summon spells from her bar. Tell me how that works out for her.

**Sonomaa** · 2013-09-03 20:06

that kinda bugs me on a sense of the game, why put in classes and jobs when classes are completely invalidated by jobs at a higher level. I know you can put other skills on your classes but whats the point if the jobs so far outweigh them in damage output
also Im not happy that people who level summoner get a free scholar too, that means there will probably be a lot of shitty max level healers

**Clemz** · 2013-09-03 20:06

Originally Posted by Carth

To go back to the original topic of this thread, I've thought about holding off on Paladin until Level 40 when we get Shield Oath, but I checked out the stat gain, and felt it was worth sticking with Paladin from 30 onwards.

Plus I'd have to level Pugilist for Second Wind and I didn't feel like doing that.

Don't rule out the increase that sword oath gives your auto attacks for the 10 levels until you get shield oath, it's a huge increase to your damage, and you'll regularly find yourself swapping between the two once you have access to both as well.

**Niiro** · 2013-09-03 20:10

Originally Posted by Sonomaa

that kinda bugs me on a sense of the game, why put in classes and jobs when classes are completely invalidated by jobs at a higher level.

The eternal question.

**Carth** · 2013-09-03 20:14

Originally Posted by Clemz

Don't rule out the increase that sword oath gives your auto attacks for the 10 levels until you get shield oath, it's a huge increase to your damage, and you'll regularly find yourself swapping between the two once you have access to both as well.

Once I got Shield Oath and noticed full-timing it is stupid, I got new love out of Sword Oath. The balance between them was done pretty well.

However, I really doubt Sword Oath's effects beats the potential cross-class skills that GLA can get (Raging Strikes, Internal Release, Straight Shot).

**Seravi Edalborez** · 2013-09-03 20:17

Originally Posted by Carth

However, I really doubt Sword Oath's effects beats the potential cross-class skills that GLA can get (Raging Strikes, Internal Release, Straight Shot).

Even if it doesn't, you're getting a good bit of extra HP I guess.

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