[Guide] Paladin Tanking Compendium (Last update 11/13/13)

**Carth** · 2013-10-20 20:42

Originally Posted by Raineer

4wiw, i mark 1 as i shield lob, 2 and 3 come later before 1 is dead. Still expect single-target to follow that though.

I do exactly the same thing. I have them on my hotbar, so there's basically no time wasted.

**Eurlin** · 2013-10-21 08:17

3 mob pulls, you should honestly just lob >Scorn > Flash > Combo1 > Fast/Savage2 > Halone 3 > Combo1 > work on 2. 1 should honeslty be dead by then or you'll have enough hate to where it won't matter, and you just fight 2 and halone 3 as needed. You have an emnity bar by the party name watch it use it. If DD are just using AoE, this should still hold up. IF they are +1 and shit, then they know what they are getting into if you're not. if you are well undergeared from them, I would suggest popping another flash before starting Combo 1 again. More to help the healer and the DD from getting hit then from the damage. and if you are going to lose hate to 1, just work on 2 and 3 anyways. DDs should honestly not have mobs up that long if they are well geared.

IF they're pulling mobs you're obviously not targeting right away like 3....well fuck'em let them run in circles then, and have them pay attention

**Kirbyprime** · 2013-10-21 09:06

While we're on the same topic. Any way to keep AoE hate off relic+1 brds / blm during WP speedrun?

I tend to have issues after the second major pulls when my MP is low. Not sure the cooldowns for songs, but since the brd never does mage's ballad I go into the fight without the MP to Flash and almost instantly lose hate to the BLM. Cover can only do so much and I can't recover MP with riot blade fast enough.

**Tyche** · 2013-10-21 09:29

We usually wait for tank MP and hit ballad. Also, hit CDs on the second pull (right before boss 1) and the last pull (before final boss).

**Eurlin** · 2013-10-21 09:31

I just use Riot Blade during the fight, I don't worry about Halone Combo at all. I cover my BLM usually on the second pull, but your MP is first priority. Flash> scorn > flash > riot > flash > etc etc etc. My Bard does use Ballad so that does help too.

I never expect to hold hate on all the mobs, but I do tab through them best I can. it's more about just staying alive than it is keeping hate on 8 mobs

**Gray Spy** · 2013-10-21 09:51

Attempted several tests without using Shield Swipe, but always found myself losing TP more often than enough. Why should I use flash on turns like Turn 2 where ADS is not affected by flash instead of shield swipe?

**Grey Jorildyn** · 2013-10-21 09:53

Originally Posted by Kirbyprime

While we're on the same topic. Any way to keep AoE hate off relic+1 brds / blm during WP speedrun?

I tend to have issues after the second major pulls when my MP is low. Not sure the cooldowns for songs, but since the brd never does mage's ballad I go into the fight without the MP to Flash and almost instantly lose hate to the BLM. Cover can only do so much and I can't recover MP with riot blade fast enough.

I treat mob pulls larger than 4 mobs like the spiders in coil. Spam the shit out of Flash, throw in a Riot Blade combo every now and then. Tab around the check hate levels of the mobs since it doesn't matter which one you're targetting, and make sure your hate is a good 20-30% higher than the next person and then use Riot Blade combo. It's actually very easy to keep hate on a large group of mobs that way. Too many tanks just don't remember they have Riot Blade because in standard practice it isn't used whatsoever. Carry Elixirs on you for a boost (they're worth 1 Flash).

Another trick is to queue up the Riot Blade while running the train by hitting a random mob with Fast Blade. Get in position, Flash 1-2 times, then fire Riot for the MP, use circle during the GCD, then back to Flash, continue Flash/Riot rotation as needed.

**Kirbyprime** · 2013-10-21 09:56

I typically do use riot blade combo whenever I can since without it I'll be running on empty every single pull. I'll try pre-building it next time with fast blade while pulling next time. I find that unless I go in with 700+ mp, I'll have issues with hate for that chain. And yes, I usually forgo the halone combo during trash pulls since there's no way I can cycle through 8 mobs effectively.

**Eurlin** · 2013-10-21 09:59

Originally Posted by Gray Spy

Attempted several tests without using Shield Swipe, but always found myself losing TP more often than enough. Why should I use flash on turns like Turn 2 where ADS is not affected by flash instead of shield swipe?

I'm not entirely sure besides maybe to spike hate so he turns to you from the other tank and your provoke is down for some reason? I out gear my other tank by quite a bit so I don't usually need to do much to get my hate back on me.

**TheGlow** · 2013-10-21 11:07

Yea, Ive noticed the relic+1 spam madness. If in DF, then I don't even see the hate bar budge. Zzzzz.
Ive been with the Relic+1 Bard/BLM combo and you pretty much just spam flash and try to get out a Halone on occasion.
But yes, 1,tab,2,tab,3,tab, repeat.
But from what I can also tell they know they are going to grab aggro and dont seem to get mad. Just be ready to taunt+lob/halone to get it off if it had a lot of health.

**Grey Jorildyn** · 2013-10-21 11:21

I don't tab until after Savage Blade on first target since Fast Blade has no hate modifier. I do [1, 2,] tab, [3, 1,] tab, [2, 3] (or 2, tab, 3, 1). Depends on HP of targets remaining and hate built on them. The micro'ing here matters little when the kill speed is very high. Anything in the ballpark is usually enough to keep hate until mobs are lower than 20%, at which point you can stop caring about building aggro on them for the most part.

**Indalecia** · 2013-10-21 12:15

Originally Posted by SathFenrir

Also my healers love playing the "See how long Sath can survive without cures" game so I never have to worry about losing hate to cures because I never get cured

Bullshit, you play the "Let's see if I can give my healers a coronary today" game.

**BerenTebogo** · 2013-10-21 12:24

Originally Posted by Kirbyprime

I have 1,2,3 on my macro bar so marking usually takes like 2 seconds max... which I tend to do while running at them.

This is how I do it.

Originally Posted by Grey Jorildyn

I treat mob pulls larger than 4 mobs like the spiders in coil. Spam the shit out of Flash, throw in a Riot Blade combo every now and then. Tab around the check hate levels of the mobs since it doesn't matter which one you're targetting, and make sure your hate is a good 20-30% higher than the next person and then use Riot Blade combo. It's actually very easy to keep hate on a large group of mobs that way. Too many tanks just don't remember they have Riot Blade because in standard practice it isn't used whatsoever. Carry Elixirs on you for a boost (they're worth 1 Flash).

Another trick is to queue up the Riot Blade while running the train by hitting a random mob with Fast Blade. Get in position, Flash 1-2 times, then fire Riot for the MP, use circle during the GCD, then back to Flash, continue Flash/Riot rotation as needed.

Also how I do it. 1 + riot blade -> flash all day. I also keep X-ethers mapped but don't use them much. After like 7 flashes + 2 CoS hate is pretty much set and can wait for riot blades.

**Raineer** · 2013-10-21 12:40

I've gotten asked in the game how to make it easy, so I'll post the way I keybind it in case it's helpful for anyone else. If you have to visibly stop and click-click, click-click, click-click using target menu that's bad and you should retool to do it faster.

Mine's all on the numpad, since I don't use it anyway.
1-2-3 are attack 1-2-3
4-5-6 are CC 1-2-3
7-8 are ignore 1-2
9 is a macro "holy shit new add ALL DPS HERE <t>" with <se.2> or something and also marks that target as attack 1

Other 1-click macros I've made that I found useful along the way to survive Duty Finder
- my explanations of every boss of every dungeon 40+, got tired of typing shit out. no i don't do that for AK or 8mans
- sound call for front and center for repel (wall), since people getting used to dancing may forget when it's coming, especially after gnats pop
- sound call for asplosion in AK. yes people don't seem to see purple ball of doom. yes i know it can be healed though, this is for DF (can you tell I've been on BG a while)
- 3,2,1 timer countdown with waits inbetween for CM lolrockets

**pixelshader** · 2013-10-21 13:22

If its only 2 mobs I split my Halone combo fast and savage on off target then halone main target. If I'm really behind on threat I do fast on off, savage and halone on main.

If its 3+ I flash spam and replenish with riot combos.

This can all be seen here: http://youtu.be/CAR6_17YuBo

**Reeno** · 2013-10-21 14:12

http://i41.tinypic.com/29aryuw.png

What would be the better upgrade, Sword > +1 or Hoplite head > Valor head. Shield is +1

edit: I'll be 20 mytho short for sword this week

**pixelshader** · 2013-10-21 14:31

Originally Posted by MutantMonkey

What do you get at 28?

Ahh that is a typo. I will fix that. Thank you.

**Tyche** · 2013-10-21 14:37

"Sath, final boss is at 25%, you get no more cures." I'm spamming stone. Sath usually drops dead at 5%, mob gets finished off, and I get quicktongues and savage aim materias assimilated as a result of my sacrifice. It works 100% of the time 50% of the time.

**Ratatapa** · 2013-10-21 16:27

Thanks for the tips all I'll try again later

**Jem** · 2013-10-21 19:00

Hey guys, don't use the same set-up as Sath. You get kicked from parties for it!

This was literally a WP run where I was only there to help. To be fair, I didn't specify HQ melded Militia but he had also checked me which prompted the comment. I guess fail on my part for fumbling on words but I was just shocked someone would even question it.

(I Have Hoplite Body so no reason to go to HDL Body even for defensive reasons)

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