[Guide] Paladin Tanking Compendium (Last update 11/13/13)

[Eanae]

Would you use this same logic in regards to Valor gear and Myth?

I mean Myth is a far more restricted resource than Gil and I didn't see anyone saying 'Just stick with Allagan if you already have it' when the best in slot post was made. Yet if it's for damage increases (and I guess STR/DEX tiers) it's a waste of gil? Surely a similar logic applies, you're spending a limited resource for little gain when it isn't absolutely required to progress.

I mean I'd certainly have far more reservations about upgrading an Allagan piece to Valor than I would dropping gil on ilvl 70 accessories.

I'd upgrade to full ilvl 90s before minmaxing valor/Allagan because Coil RNG can kiss my ass when it comes to tank loot. I'd much rather upgrade all my ilvl 70 to 90 than go 90 -> 90. You have no idea when the next coil piece will actually drop and considering my first kill in coil was 9/9/13 and I have a total of 2 Allagan pieces I actually use (and one I don't) I think the point is easy to see why you can't really compare the two. Full 90s helps infinitely more on Twintania than minmaxing your current 90s to another 90. I mean if you want to do it for fun like Sath by all means go for it, but I wouldn't really recommend it. Minmaxing for content that takes 45-50 minutes isn't something I'd call worth it. If coil was longer and all the bosses allowed this hybrid dps setup I'd say go for it for sure. I mean I'm almost sure it'll be fine to do this in CT as well but that's only supposed to be 90 minutes tops according to Yoshi-P so everyone will probably do that in a half hour too.

[Jem]

But the point is, you would do it. At some point you would upgrade 90 > 90 despite it being a marginal return which isn't necessary to win (Unless I'm misreading your post). Yet it's a waste to do the same with a Gil equivalent even though Gil is far prevalent/easier to accrue than Myth and the improvement is probably larger?

Like you said, it's going to depend on the person but I think both situations are similar. You're spending a finite resource on marginal improvements except one of those resources is far more restricted than the other. If you have better stuff to spend gil on then sure do that.

(EDIT: For the record I only have 2 quint melded accessories because I'm spending my gil on other jobs so I might be in the same scenario as you. So apologies if you mean you would also get those accessories once you've bought everything else with gil)

[Kirbyprime]

Ok, so I did a rough breakdown on cost of myth to stat comparison for the myth pieces. Note this does not factor into what's BiS as opposed to coil gear. This is simply bang for buck for myth pieces.

Secondary stats are divided by 8 and added with the primary stats. Lower is better. (+) is used to signify more useful secondary stats such as parry and accuracy. List is ranked best value to worst value PURELY compared to each other, not BiS.

Sollerets 495
str 18 | vit 20 | par 15 | acc 21

38 + 4.5 (36)
42.5
11.65++

Coronet 495
str 18 | vit 20 | acc 21 | crit 15

38 + 4.5 (36)
42.5
11.65+

Gauntlets 495
str 18 | vit 20 | par 21 | crit 15

38 + 4.5 (36)
42.5
11.65+

Cuisses 825
str 29 | vit 33 | par 34 | acc 24

62 + 7.25 (58)
69.25
11.91++

Surcoat 825
str 29 | vit 33 | par 34 | det 17

62 + 6.375 (51)
68.375
12.07+

Belt 375
str 13 | vit 15 | acc 16 | det 8

28 + 3 (24)
31
12.10+

Ring 375
vit 15 | par 11 | acc 16

15 + 3.375 (27)
18.375
20.41++

Bracelet 375
vit 15 | par 16 | crit 11

15 + 3.375[/b] (27)
18.375
20.41+

Necklace 375
vit 15 | par 11 | ss 16

15 + 3.375 (27)
18.375
20.41+

[Jem]

Useful but maybe they should be compared to what you're upgrading from (maybe assume DL?) since you aren't going from naked > Valor. So a piece may give better raw stats per Myth spent but could be a lesser improvement per Myth spent due to the stats on the piece you were previously wearing.

That admittedly might be tricky because of HDL Body/Legs though =/

[Kirbyprime]

Too much of a pain to calculate full routes, especially if it's something like you already have body but not helm and you're using AK or Militia. Would need to do an excel spreadsheet or something for something like that.

[Weltall]

I'm with Eanae; never, ever expect Coil drops. I've been doing it longer than probably 99% of non-legacy players, or those too, and my static never gets PLD drops.

Edit: Fuck Monk.

[Kirbyprime]

I'm with Eanae; never, ever expect Coil drops. I've been doing it longer than probably 99% of non-legacy players, or those too, and my static never gets PLD drops.

Edit: Fuck Monk.

=( My static got 4 DRG drops in 2 weeks... we don't have anyone with a level 50 drg.

[BerenTebogo]

This week:

4 BLM 2 MNK. FUCK YEAH GUYS.

Only 1 visible piece (shield) has ever dropped for us for PLD.

[kisada]

yeah the rng is pretty rough.

our first group has had 2 tank drops total in the past whatever months we've been running coil.

conversely, tank loot drops like candy for us in my group. one guy is just a couple pieces away from full i90 and he's had to split a lot of the loot, too.

[Eanae]

This week:

4 BLM 2 MNK. FUCK YEAH GUYS.

Only 1 visible piece (shield) has ever dropped for us for PLD.

Our only visible piece was the body this week after we both already got Valor. If shit would have dropped earlier I could have gotten legs first and then Valor once the rest of my 90s were set. Really need to upgrade this awful ilvl 55 legs Q_Q

Our group 2 and 3 get like 2+ tank pieces a week and each have quite a large margin more HP than me.

1 BRD 1 tank 3 healer 1 caster this week and $10 says we get another axe from Twintania tonight. RNG in coil is really awful and I feel bad for any new FC wanting to progress through turn 5 because if they get as shafted on tank drops as we do have fun waiting on all those weeks for myth.

[Jem]

Our only visible piece was the body this week after we both already got Valor. If shit would have dropped earlier I could have gotten legs first and then Valor once the rest of my 90s were set. Really need to upgrade this awful ilvl 55 legs Q_Q

Our group 2 and 3 get like 2+ tank pieces a week and each have quite a large margin more HP than me.

1 BRD 1 tank 3 healer 1 caster this week and $10 says we get another axe from Twintania tonight. RNG in coil is really awful and I feel bad for any new FC wanting to progress through turn 5 because if they get as shafted on tank drops as we do have fun waiting on all those weeks for myth.

If it's any consolation you're probably still ahead of me. I'm at 6.3k HP with food/party buffs. I think I'll perenially be 150-200 behind my co-tank. Forever OT

[Kirbyprime]

Question, what food is decently cheapest and good to use in Coil? I'm using Knight's bread right now but if I remember right my HP is still around 5800~.

[Eanae]

I use buttons in a blanket for 1-4, toast if MTing 5, otherwise buttons as well for OTing.

[Vandole]

Learn to make gil and use hq toast only
Edit: or hq buttons. I sell them shits too

Spoiler: show

dole wants your money

[Kirbyprime]

More like my static would die 10+ times on T2 and rather not eat a button everytime! Oh well, if that's all there is to eat I guess I'll HQ them myself. =(

[Eanae]

Time for a new static then.

[Kirbyprime]

Time for a new static then.

I regret rejecting Rata's already lol.

[Jem]

I generally switch between HQ Buttons in Blanket, HQ Deviled Eggs and HQ Toast. I may be wrong (or really unobservant) but I never saw a Parry (or Block) on ADS so I don't bother with Toast for that.

HQ Eft Steak is also an option.

Your options kinda depend on if you really want that Parry or not.

EDIT: Usually I pay ~2k a piece for any of the above but I'm lazy as shit and just buy it off the AH whenever I run low. Not sure what it will cost on your server though.

[Kirbyprime]

Probably HQ Toast it seems like. I might as well have the parry, though kinda wish it had something else other than acc.

[Obsidian]

As far as I'm aware, there's not a single blockable/parry-able attack in Turn 2.

Amusingly enough, Flash damage reflected by the Soldiers in Turn 4 is blockable (and I assume parryable but I never saw a Parry proc last night).