[Guide] Paladin Tanking Compendium (Last update 11/13/13)

[Carth]

475 is fine for Turn 4. You'll need 481 or 482 for Turn 5.

[Limlight]

thanks

[Jem]

Kinda undecided on where to go next with my Myth upgrading and looking for input.

Currently the only ilvl 90 slots I'm missing are Sword, Shield, Neck and Bracelets (Ring too but I have Hero's). I'll have 615 Myth this week.

If I upgrade Neck or Bracelets I have to switch Valor Gauntlets to Allagan due to Acc (@475 before food atm). Reluctant to upgrade Sword/Shield as I'd rather have Allagan. I'm guaranteed the next 2 Tank Coil drops if that makes a difference.

I guess the logical decision is to sit on Myth until the update now?

[BerenTebogo]

Do you not even have allagan shield? I'd say the shield is definitely worth the 300 myth. Biggest upgrade per myth imo.

[Reeno]

I'd get wrists since and hope for allagan neck.

[Obsidian]

People who don't +1 their sword are basically asking their DPS to throttle their damage. The difference between my +1 and my co-tank's not +1 is noticeable. I'd argue the biggest waste of mythology would be burning it on accessories you're only using as a stopgap as opposed to a weapon that is currently only replaceable by something that drops from Turn 5.

That being said, since you've waited this long I wouldn't upgrade your Curtana (or Holy Shield) until we know the stats on the new EX Primal weapon and the stats on the i95 Allagan Round Shield (if it even gets bumped to i95). I'd also wait to see the stats on the EX Primal accessories.

In summary, you've waited this long so you may as well wait one more week.

[Kipling]

What do you mean throttle their damage? Are you implying you can't hold hate properly without a +1?

[Avarice]

People who don't +1 their sword are basically asking their DPS to throttle their damage. The difference between my +1 and my co-tank's not +1 is noticeable.

Maybe your co-tank just sucks?

[Seravi Edalborez]

Your DPS should pretty much never have to throttle their damage. Our NQ Curtana PLD will not lose hate ever unless the OT (Bravura+1 WAR) actively tries to take it, or if our BLMs (one being like 1-2 pieces shy of full i90) go apeshit in the first 5 seconds.

[Eurlin]

Just wait it out the worst that happens is you're able to upgrade 3 items next week which would just be a nice difference

[Jem]

Do you not even have allagan shield? I'd say the shield is definitely worth the 300 myth. Biggest upgrade per myth imo.

Sadly not. My co-tank upgraded his shield like the first week we did Coil so I thought 'I won't upgrade mine because if Shield drops, he'll very likely pass it to me' (Of course I'd do the same for him in reverse). Obviously I've been waiting ever since.



Hate wise. I've never once lost hate and all the parses suggest the difference between me and my co-tank (who has +1) is incredibly minimal. Like on Turn 1 this week he was 2 DPS in front of me (I'm OT for Cad/ADS purposes). On Turn 2 I was 7 DPS ahead of him. Our Turn 4 parse is obviously wrong (to be expected with all the AoE's) so I won't quote that. Granted I have slightly higher STR than him but anything he's gaining from that +1 is minimal.

If I ever felt I was holding back our DPS I would have upgraded sword already (not to say it isn't an option now, it is). I've never gotten that impression so just piled on VIT for Twintania. I don't think our DPS is bad judging from our Turn 4 clear times.

[Obsidian]

Maybe your co-tank just sucks?

Maybe. The beginning of most fights is significantly smoother with me as opposed to when my co-tank starts. The BLMs particularly complain that they're basically sitting there doing nothing for ten seconds while he gets two combos off. I don't really trust any of the parsing tools currently available, I just gauge the threat meter.

Oh well. I still recommend just waiting until the stats of all the new crap are known.

[Jem]

Could well be that he's not popping Fight or Flight at the start and that's why it's shakier?

[Eurlin]

Maybe he's spending too much time not getting through his rotation? or the DPS is just scared to fight because they -think- they'll pull hate. just because you're Emnity jumps to 3/4 of the bar doesn't mean next attack you'll pull hate. Halone can drop that down real quick.

[Kipling]

My alt has shit gear and holds hate against fully decked allagan weapon DPS. So, I can confidently say that your co-tank needs to step up.

[BerenTebogo]

To this date: 2 shields, 2 belts, 2 earrings, 1 bracelet.

Le sigh.

At least my SMN is getting drops . . .

[Black]

To this date: 2 shields, 2 belts, 2 earrings, 1 bracelet.

Le sigh.

At least my SMN is getting drops . . .

/comfort thats worse than us really, yesterday we got shield/choker which was not bad i needed choker so bad but T2/T4 being really bad for us, we need X2 legs belt ear and we havent seen any wrist/hands from T4, got our 3rd healing body in a row..=.=

also TT need to stop being bad and give us blade/helm

[Carth]

All a NQ Curtana PLD needs to hold hate during Turn 4 is well-timed Fight or Flights and charged Rage of Halones. A solid rotation makes a much stronger difference than +1ing your Relic, though that definitely helps too.

[Manako]

I was trying to get by without +1 sword, T4 made me realize how badly I wanted it. Certainly you can hold hate without it... but I'm losing enough hair that it certainly made me feel like I was making the right choice doing it.

Really would like for some tank gear to drop coil is being so stingy for me.

[Kipling]

Proper rotations and setting up combos would do wonders... Could spend that myth in better areas.