[Guide] Paladin Tanking Compendium (Last update 11/13/13)

[Obsidian]

The testing I saw seemed pretty conclusive and came from reddit.

As far as Meteor vs Final Heaven damage, on ADS they both did the same damage when my Coil group was trying to figure out who should be LBing so I assume that the damage from Meteor gets split between targets but I've never cared enough to change my chat filters to verify. I'm inclined to think it's actually weapon iLevel and not weapon damage that influences the LB damage because mage weapons would have a disproportionate influence otherwise, but both get increased the same way so for the purposes of this discussion it seems irrelevant.

Edit: The easiest way to retest would probably be on Ifrit because of how frequently the gauge fills, if people are sceptical.

[Raldo]

As far as Meteor vs Final Heaven damage, on ADS they both did the same damage when my Coil group was trying to figure out who should be LBing so I assume that the damage from Meteor gets split between targets but I've never cared enough to change my chat filters to verify.

That's... weird. Which buffs were on ADS? Given the same party makeup+gear, Final Heaven should always beat Meteor, unless the descriptions of the skills are incorrect.

I should hope mob buffs don't affect the damage, since player buffs don't seem to, but I wouldn't put it past them.

[Voyage1970]

It's especially weird considering Meteor has a little over half the potency of Final Heaven. Using the Damage Calculator at B.L.I.T.Z.B.A.L.L. if I input the weapon damage as CharacterLevel+WD it comes out to pretty much what I get when using Braver in AK and Final Heaven on ADS (consistently ~5700 and ~20k) so take that for what it's worth. Using the same values for Meteor I get around 15k but the formulas for magic damage may be different so grain of salt and all that.

[Obsidian]

That's... weird. Which buffs were on ADS? Given the same party makeup+gear, Final Heaven should always beat Meteor, unless the descriptions of the skills are incorrect.

I should hope mob buffs don't affect the damage, since player buffs don't seem to, but I wouldn't put it past them.

I think that was when we were doing the Chain Lightning side (slashing and blunt? Our DRG was doing Final Heaven so I assume it was being parsed as piecing damage) but it was over six weeks ago so I honestly couldn't say for sure. I never thought to take screenshots, but I distinctly recall finding it odd that they were equivalent (within a thousand points or so) damage.

This actually reminds me of something else I meant to test but never got around to before Finals started, which was to verify that cross class skills like Impulse Drive are parsed as blunt damage when used by MNK instead of piercing damage (for the purpose of finding out wither or not it was even comparable to Snap Punch because of the blunt damage bonus from Dragon Kick).

[Voyage1970]

I think that was when we were doing the Chain Lightning side (slashing and blunt? Our DRG was doing Final Heaven so I assume it was being parsed as piecing damage) but it was over six weeks ago so I honestly couldn't say for sure. I never thought to take screenshots, but I distinctly recall finding it odd that they were equivalent (within a thousand points or so) damage.

This actually reminds me of something else I meant to test but never got around to before Finals started, which was to verify that cross class skills like Impulse Drive are parsed as blunt damage when used by MNK instead of piercing damage (for the purpose of finding out wither or not it was even comparable to Snap Punch because of the blunt damage bonus from Dragon Kick).

Chain Lightning side is Slash and Magic resist so that would make it even weirder if Final Heaven was doing the same as Meteor, assuming LB is affected by resistances.

As far as Impulse Drive goes, I use it pretty frequently on my MNK and from eyeballing the damage it seems to fall within the same range as Snap Punch with Dragon Kick up (as in it doesn't do 11% less damage due to it not being blunt) but I haven't actually parsed it so it could have just been an unlucky Snap Punch variance v. a lucky Impulse variance.

[Reeno]

3 blm weapons and 3 brd belts lol...would love to see a helm or sword

[Eanae]

3 blm weapons and 3 brd belts lol...would love to see a helm or sword

Our entire FC has 4 SCH books, 4 monk fists, 4 warrior axe, 1 dragoon lance, 1 SMN book, and 1 whm cane. Don't think I'm missing any drops but Jesus does the same thing LOVE to drop.

[Andradi]

At least those dupe drops are all ones with good itemization, right?

[Tiernin]

Has anyone found that race makes a huge difference in paladin?

Also I use duty finder most of the time for dungeon runs. Assuming equal gear which would you rather have 1 good DPS or a good tank?

[Limlight]

Has anyone found that race makes a huge difference in paladin?

Also I use duty finder most of the time for dungeon runs. Assuming equal gear which would you rather have 1 good DPS or a good tank?

Race really doesn't matter for any job in this game. Always have a good tank, if your dps are sub par you can lead them as a tank who knows what to do. It happens to me frequently in DF, I just guide people and we kill slower but we still beat it. A bad tank = just exit already.

[Seravi Edalborez]

Has anyone found that race makes a huge difference in paladin?

http://www.ffxivguild.com/racial-sta...d-stats-guide/

Difference between "best" VIT and "worst" VIT is 6. Not that much in the grand scheme of things. Certainly not enough to be obligated to pick stats over aesthetics.

[Tiernin]

That's what I though. And obviously Lalafell Paladins are the most adorable/badass.

[Kipling]

That's what I though. And obviously Lalafell Paladins are the most adorable/badass.

Being adorable/badass is worth any amount of vitality. This is my alt and my awesome alt warrior co-tank.

Spoiler: show

[Avarice]

Maybe if you had that extra VIT you both wouldn't be dead on the ground. Inferior, pleb race.

[Tiernin]

Maybe if you had that extra VIT you both wouldn't be dead on the ground. Inferior, pleb race.

Blasphemy!!!!!

[Dazd]

Woo good day today, got Allagan feet and bracelets (they dropped last week but we had to get a pug and he decided to ninja them). Gonna wait to see what the new primal accessories have stat wise before I spend myth on Hero's ring, so for all intents and purposes my pld is done :D.

Spoiler: show

[Eanae]

Heavy Allagan Gauntlets
Before: STR+18, VIT+20, Accuracy+21, Parry+15
After: STR+18, VIT+20, Accuracy+21, Determination+1

Heavy Allagan Cuisses

Before: STR+29, VIT+33, Determination+24, Parry+24
After: STR+29, VIT+33, Critical Hit Rate+34, Parry+24


Long live Valor

[Obsidian]

Think that's supposed to be DET+11 but yeah, fuck those gloves now.

Extremely disappointing they didn't do anything to Awareness/Tempered Will, or anything meaningful to Cover. Or put a useful effect on Shield Swipe. Or really do anything aside from potentially letting Shield Oath generate more enmity than Sword Oath.

[Carth]

Allagan Gloves got a major nerf. Unless you need the accuracy, Valor gloves are better.

Heavy Allagan Pants is a DD piece now.

Cover is now slightly better, but we still have our shitty abilities. I imagine Shield Oath will now generate x1.5 enmity overall instead of x1.2 like before.

[Taint]

Whats PLD BiS for the left side?

Valor
Valor
Valor
Allagan
Valor
Allagan

???