[Guide] Paladin Tanking Compendium (Last update 11/13/13)

[Obsidian]

I guess I'll need to grab it sometime this week with my tokens and test it out some. At first glance, I just don't see the loss in block strength and slight parry drop being worth the increased block rate, but I guess I'll see.

Parrying aside (which is devalued by the higher block rate anyway), the shields are within half a percentage point of each other with regards to mitigation. Just multiply your overall block rate with your overall block strength.

Holy/Allagan: 0.28 * 0.28 = 7.84%
Onion: 0.39 * 0.19 = 7.41%

I lean towards the Onion Shield because the higher block rate (nearly 40%) means it's more likely to proc on stuff I want it to, but in the grand scheme of things I doubt it will really make any difference beyond aesthetics.

[Sylvrdragon]

If Bulwark puts you at or very near 100% Block Rate with Zenith/Allagan, then Onion Shield would devalue that cooldown. Given how close the shields are in a vacuum, I would say that taking power away from that CD should give Zenith/Allagan the edge (if only slightly).

Edit: Disregard. Reading comprehension fail.

[Obsidian]

The block rate with Onion Shield would be 39%, maybe 40% with the party DEX bonus, so even if Bulwark is additive and not multiplicative, you'd be at 99%/100%. You'd need another 40 DEX (assuming the STR/DEX tiers work on the same increments) to push yourself over 100% with Bulwark up, and I don't really see that happening. Plus the cooldown/uptime on Bulwark is retarded so the net effect would be negligible anyway.

[Sylvrdragon]

The block rate with Onion Shield would be 39%, maybe 40% with the party DEX bonus, so even if Bulwark is additive and not multiplicative, you'd be at 99%/100%. You'd need another 40 DEX (assuming the STR/DEX tiers work on the same increments) to push yourself over 100% with Bulwark up, and I don't really see that happening. Plus the cooldown/uptime on Bulwark is retarded so the net effect would be negligible anyway.

Ah, I'm an idiot. I didn't read the block values posted 1 post above mine, lol. Please disregard.

[Kaslo]

Ok so I'm having an issue with my Shield Lob macro...

I'm on PS3 so I have my R Trigger Button Crossbar as:

Shield Swipe
Macro - Rage
Savage Blade

My macro is to use Fast Blade, unless out of range then use Shield Lob (that way I get all 4 of my Combo moves (FB+SB+RoH and Shield Swipe) on easy access as well as Shield Lob for ease of running in and Lobbing as soon as in range).

The problem is there is a large period of time when I am in actually in melee range but it still Lob's (usually I'm fine most of the time but certain fights are bad - ie Titan).

The macro is:

/micon "Shield Lob"
/ac "Fast Blade" <t>
/ac "Shield Lob" <t>

any advice?

[Ferien]

My guess is it's a timing issue, since macro lines don't all happen simultaneously. Tries to fire off Fast Blade, sees that GCD isn't up yet, split second later it checks Lob and the GCD happens to be ready. If this is the case, only way to avoid it is to split the two.

[Kaslo]

Hmmm I am a button masher so that could be it, I'll continue to test around with it. If not, I may switch it with shield swipe and micon that.

[Taint]

Ok so I'm having an issue with my Shield Lob macro...

I'm on PS3 so I have my R Trigger Button Crossbar as:

Shield Swipe
Macro - Rage
Savage Blade

My macro is to use Fast Blade, unless out of range then use Shield Lob (that way I get all 4 of my Combo moves (FB+SB+RoH and Shield Swipe) on easy access as well as Shield Lob for ease of running in and Lobbing as soon as in range).

The problem is there is a large period of time when I am in actually in melee range but it still Lob's (usually I'm fine most of the time but certain fights are bad - ie Titan).

The macro is:

/micon "Shield Lob"
/ac "Fast Blade" <t>
/ac "Shield Lob" <t>

any advice?

I'm a game pad user. When I get a second I'll take some pics of my cross bars.

I have all my "soft" actions plus ForF tied to one macro.

/macroicon "fight or flight"
/AC ForF
/AC foresight
/AC convalescence
/AC awareness
/AC bloodbath

I don't like ForF tied to fast blade because on harder content you sometimes need to save it for snap threat.

I also have shield lob and voke on the same macro.

/macroicon "Provoke"
/ac "Shield Lob" <t>
/ac "Provoke" <t>

My R2 has
Circle fast
Triangle swift
Square rage
X shield lob/voke macro

Up shield swipe
Left spirits
Down shield bask
Right riot blade

That allows me to stay in R2 for combos stun silence and swipe of applicable.

L2 has our 4 hard damage down actions on Shapes.

Then stone skin, ForF macro, flash and CofS for the directions.

I use a standard action bar for oaths, tempered and cover. You could easily put those on r2+l2.

[Wulfgang]

PLD is my 3rd or 4th job, about to ding 50 and thinking about Break Blade / Onion Shield combo (already have one X weapon; almost done with this week's). Is Break Blade a feasible option long-term? It seems Onion is fine per the earlier discussion, but I don't see myself ever spending 900 myth on the Curt +1.

[Edelweiss]

PLD is my 3rd or 4th job, about to ding 50 and thinking about Break Blade / Onion Shield combo (already have one X weapon; almost done with this week's). Is Break Blade a feasible option long-term? It seems Onion is fine per the earlier discussion, but I don't see myself ever spending 900 myth on the Curt +1.

If you're fine with likely being under the Accuracy cap (without Heavy Allagan Armor in the Body slot) and not maximizing the amount of Parry available to you (Armor means foregoing Valor Surcoat, among other things).

I guess it really comes down to what you actually intend to do with PLD (tank in Turn 5? Something for variety/running Tower or other shit?).

[Taint]

PLD is my 3rd or 4th job, about to ding 50 and thinking about Break Blade / Onion Shield combo (already have one X weapon; almost done with this week's). Is Break Blade a feasible option long-term? It seems Onion is fine per the earlier discussion, but I don't see myself ever spending 900 myth on the Curt +1.

The ACC on Curtana+1 is such a huge bonus its hard to give it up.

There are some swaps you could make like Myth > Allagan hands, Myth > Allagan body, Allagan Feet > Myth. That would allow you to skip Curtana+1 since PLD isn't your main job.

[BerenTebogo]

It's fine for a 4th job. Who gives a shit? i90 > noti90

[Seravi Edalborez]

Re: Break Blade

Spoiler: show

Hand-me-down-drops PLD, the i70 DPS accessory melds are pretty lazy atm; Vit4 on neck, Vit4/Crit3 on ear, Vit4/Det3/Det3/Crit3 on ring. Sharing with my also-hand-me-down DRG atm; should probably just make another set with maxed VIT and parry. I had too much accuracy for a while; was wearing Hoplite head and another gryphonskin ring for a bit. It's proven adequate for tanking up to Titan EX, and not like I'll be needing to take it into Coil for a bit.

My parry is pretty atrocious though.

[Obsidian]

As soon as you change legs you're going to drop at minimum 20 accuracy though, and to get that back you'll drop lose most of the Parry you get from your leg option. For how easy it is to make Curtana, Break Blade is kind of junk. It's a good option in the interim, but I wouldn't really call it a long term solution if you intend to use it for anything beyond HM primals.

[Tiernin]

And Zenith sword is 600 not 900

[Ratatapa]

I sense that gearing my pld alt will be annoying

I'm aware to get full dl accessorie for now before upgrading to heros/allagan

But my problem is for the combo body/head legs/feet

I know what the bis are but Exemple head body where bis is allagan head/valour body, but I doubt I can do turn 5 for a while on the alt


So demanding if I get valor body or ct body first if I'd have enough acc with ct head or w/e

Guess time will tell

[Obsidian]

It's not like Darklight body has accuracy on it anyway. If you're doing Coil I'd get Valor head and CT body and either get lucky with Allagan body and upgrade to Valor last, or just get Valor body if you don't have Allagan by the time you have enough mythology for Valor.

[Taint]

Valor is extremely solid and a good use of Myth unless you are in a group that farms T5 and you are next up for Allagan head.



Valor Coronet
50(90)
PLD
Defense 113Magic Defense 113
Strength +18
Vitality +20
Accuracy +21
Critical Hit Rating +15


Allagan Helm
50(90)
GLA, MRD, PLD
WAR
Defense 113Magic Defense 113
Strength +18
Vitality +20
Parry +21
Accuracy +15

[Ratatapa]

Valor is extremely solid and a good use of Myth unless you are in a group that farms T5 and you are next up for Allagan head.



Valor Coronet
50(90)
PLD
Defense 113Magic Defense 113
Strength +18
Vitality +20
Accuracy +21
Critical Hit Rating +15


Allagan Helm
50(90)
GLA, MRD, PLD
WAR
Defense 113Magic Defense 113
Strength +18
Vitality +20
Parry +21
Accuracy +15

That's better then I though


Guess I'll go myth depending in what I get in ct ( better to upgrade 70 to 90 and keep an 80 tempo then upgrading 80-90 with a 70)

But anyway need to zenith sword and shield first since rng can be a bitch for t-1

[Eanae]

About time my group got some luck off this stupid whore.