[Guide] Paladin Tanking Compendium (Last update 11/13/13)

[Indomitable Will]

T4 is a process pending on gear, most people save everything for the 2 naughts section. you can use rampart and foresight early in the fight if you need something for the first dreadnaught and stuff.

lots of groups do use different methods, but just as an example, I've found that dragging the 1st dread through the 4 spiders (so he eats them) and then popping Sentinel as he comes at you, makes for an simple phase 3, then kill next spiders/rooks, then grab 2nd dread (I pop no cooldowns during this time), 3rd dread pops and I pop HG right after I grab him, to give some breathing room for the healers as the ensuing controlled chaos occurs, our group then kills rook>old dread>knight>soldier>drag spiders to new dread>kill new dread. At this point once HG wears, I just start rolling CD's in this general order, Sentinel (should be up by now, or close)> Rampart+Foresight+Awareness>Bulwark+Convalescence (old dread should be dead by this point), and from there you don't really even need CDs, but they should start to reload soon and you can work them in if the explosions starts. We use 2 tanks just because of our groups' make up, and because it works smoothly with no fails about 99% of the time (barring odd lag spikes or wierd hate/pathing), we usually kill the 2nd dread right as, or just before the enrage explosions start. We started using this strat when I was at about 5800hp or so (1st runs in t4), and it only got easier as I got to 6500+, so I respec'd to 30 str and allagan str ear/garuda ring for a tiny bit more dps, and sit at like 6400/almost 6500 in full i90 (I honestly don't remember if that's with food or not, but I use hq toad legs). Hope that helps...also, this strat was made into a cake walk after the Shield Oath buff from the last update.

[Tiernin]

lots of groups do use different methods, but just as an example, I've found that dragging the 1st dread through the 4 spiders (so he eats them) and then popping Sentinel as he comes at you, makes for an simple phase 3, then kill next spiders/rooks, then grab 2nd dread (I pop no cooldowns during this time), 3rd dread pops and I pop HG right after I grab him, to give some breathing room for the healers as the ensuing controlled chaos occurs, our group then kills rook>old dread>knight>soldier>drag spiders to new dread>kill new dread. At this point once HG wears, I just start rolling CD's in this general order, Sentinel (should be up by now, or close)> Rampart+Foresight+Awareness>Bulwark+Convalescence (old dread should be dead by this point), and from there you don't really even need CDs, but they should start to reload soon and you can work them in if the explosions starts. We use 2 tanks just because of our groups' make up, and because it works smoothly with no fails about 99% of the time (barring odd lag spikes or wierd hate/pathing), we usually kill the 2nd dread right as, or just before the enrage explosions start. We started using this strat when I was at about 5800hp or so (1st runs in t4), and it only got easier as I got to 6500+, so I respec'd to 30 str and allagan str ear/garuda ring for a tiny bit more dps, and sit at like 6400/almost 6500 in full i90 (I honestly don't remember if that's with food or not, but I use hq toad legs). Hope that helps...also, this strat was made into a cake walk after the Shield Oath buff from the last update.

This almost exactly what I do. I also pop a vit pot when the 3rd dread pops. But only because someone gave them to me lol

[Indomitable Will]

This almost exactly what I do. I also pop a vit pot when the 3rd dread pops. But only because someone gave them to me lol

Not a bad idea, I respecced to VIT points a few days ago just for Titan EX so that I've got 7k, hp, but if i was on the lower end of survivability for turn 4, like 5500hp or so, that would definitely be a wise decision, and even if you have high hp, if they were free why not ;p

[Eurlin]

I'd sell them and get STR pots probably. My group does it pretty much the same, but I just use Foresight/Rampart for first Dread, and leave all my buffs for when the 3rd dreadnaught drops. We have the DD burn down the 2 spiders since I'll have the 3rd dreadnaught down to 85%` before they're done with the solider and such. I sit around 6850~ HP, and it's honestly a cakewalk like Will said.

[Indomitable Will]

I'd sell them and get STR pots probably. My group does it pretty much the same, but I just use Foresight/Rampart for first Dread, and leave all my buffs for when the 3rd dreadnaught drops. We have the DD burn down the 2 spiders since I'll have the 3rd dreadnaught down to 85%` before they're done with the solider and such. I sit around 6850~ HP, and it's honestly a cakewalk like Will said.

yeah we're moving towards that as well, our dps are finally getting towards full i90, but we have 1 dps slot open, that we fill with random people from our FC much of the time, I think once we get a competent 4th dps in that slot consitently we will move to that since well geared dps melt the spiders in seconds. I use Sentinel (and all of my buffs other than HG, since they're all reloaded by the time we get to the double-dreads (other than bulwark, which doesnt reload until the 2nd dread is almost dead)) for the 1st dread because it reloads by the time I need it with the pair of dreads, and that 1st dread with 4 spider stacks on can wreck just about any tank with some bad luck on blocks and not enough buffs up.

[GarbageNinga]

Also crit rate > skill speed.

You also give up 4 parry though

[GarbageNinga]

I know this is a Pally page but some of you I am sure have made the switch over to Warrior to spice things up- I was wondering what most use for rotation as well as a BiS for Warrior? I will be full ilvl 90 on Warrior (and have Allagan weapon on it wven thoug I heard it wasnt BiS).

Or does anyone have a good link to Warrior TC such as this?

[Ferien]

I know this is a Pally page but some of you I am sure have made the switch over to Warrior to spice things up- I was wondering what most use for rotation as well as a BiS for Warrior? I will be full ilvl 90 on Warrior (and have Allagan weapon on it wven thoug I heard it wasnt BiS).

Or does anyone have a good link to Warrior TC such as this?

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/117...e-lol-Marauder)

[Obsidian]

You also give up 4 parry though

This was discussed in substantial (albeit generally circular) detail a few pages back. 4 Parry is a 0.3% increase in Parry rate, 11 crit is a ~0.4% increase in overall DPS.

Also worth noting that Onion is going to kind of screw your passive mitigation a bit because you'll Parry more damage than you block but your block rate will be higher than your parry rate (which is also being reduced by said block rate). As base blockrate increases, the advantage shifts towards Zenith/Allagan.

I also saw some testing on Reddit that concluded Bulwark is multiplicative and not additive, so having over a 100% block rate is no longer a concern.

[GarbageNinga]

This was discussed in substantial (albeit generally circular) detail a few pages back. 4 Parry is a 0.3% increase in Parry rate, 11 crit is a ~0.4% increase in overall DPS.

Also worth noting that Onion is going to kind of screw your passive mitigation a bit because you'll Parry more damage than you block but your block rate will be higher than your parry rate (which is also being reduced by said block rate). As base blockrate increases, the advantage shifts towards Zenith/Allagan.

I also saw some testing on Reddit that concluded Bulwark is multiplicative and not additive, so having over a 100% block rate is no longer a concern.

I was there for the discussion- Where it seems people are shifting tanking into a DPS stature. I am fine being a meat shield- I will switch to Warrior when I want to do more DPS_ therfore Parry, block rate and HPS are the only things that matter to me personally.

We already have enough DPS to kill twin with only 3 conflags and 6 man all the extremes.

[Indomitable Will]

I was there for the discussion- Where it seems people are shifting tanking into a DPS stature. I am fine being a meat shield- I will switch to Warrior when I want to do more DPS_ therfore Parry, block rate and HPS are the only things that matter to me personally.

We already have enough DPS to kill twin with only 3 conflags and 6 man all the extremes.

I swing both ways on that, I am a huge proponent for max-dps PLD (stemming from ffxi tanking) as you can see over the last few pages. But at the same time sometimes you want 7k+ hp on pld for PUG groups or if maybe you're healers are slow or dps are bad at dodging stuff (so healers can't focus on you as much), but honestly if you're healers and dps are just that good, feel it out, if you're doing extremes with 6 (+2 buyers) and you don't drop below 2k hp the whole time...then you can drop hp and grab some dps stats (allagan/primal str accessories, etc), kill things faster, and fit in more buyers in the time you have to sell kills=more money in your pocket. as I said above, i moved back to all vit points a couple of days ago so that i wasn't getting facerolled by titanEX in PUG's.

[Eurlin]

Jem pointed out that the Crafted Accessories make for a pretty strong replacement over the HP and Parry you'd give up. Our discussion earlier was actually about 2 different subjects. 1 part was about the difference of a small switch like rings for a turtle build. The second part was about using a Hybrid build and which would you use. Jem brought up that you'd lose no real mitigation, and would increase your DPS by 11% with just the jewelry.

In basic situations even with PUGs you'll be able to do just fine with either set. I'm personally waiting for my internet which will come today :D since I moved, but i'll be making myself a craft jewel set for this reason.

I think even with situations like solo tanking Titan X/T5 Solo Tanking/... you'll still be better off with the Crafted jewelry because of the increase in Shield/parry rate, and DPS

[TheGlow]

I managed to Pick up a few more items,
Curtana
Holy Shield Zenith
Valor Coronet
Valor Surcoat
Darklight Gauntlets
Heavy Darklight Plate Belt
Breeches of Light
Sabatons of Light
Darklight Choker of Fending
Darklight Earrings of Fending
Darklight Bracelet of Fending
Darklight Band of Fending
Hero's Ring of Fending

I managed to get the CT pants and boots, and opted to get the Head and Shield with the myth i was going to get the pants with.
Next I hear the Gloves is a good bet, but according to the equip planner, thats going to tank my 472 accuracy.
Should I still save for Valor pants then in the meantime?

[Jem]

Depending on your ability to pick-up Allagan pieces

HDL Belt > Hero's Belt of Fending
HDL Gauntlets > Valor Gauntlets

That's going to give you a larger STR/VIT boost (10 STR / 11 VIT vs 4 STR /6 VIT) than upgrading Legs for roughly the same Myth (870 versus 825).

You're dropping a bit of Acc that could be made up by food choice but failing that, you could swap DL Earring for HQ Rose Gold Ear Screws and throw VIT/Parry melds on them. HQ Rose Gold Ear Screws with those melds pick you up 9 STR, 9 DEX, 12 Acc over DL Earrings for no loss (Obviously they cost gil though)

EDIT: Kinda depends on what CT tower pieces you're picking up too but both CT Hands/Belt drop you acc from HDL.

[TheGlow]

Just found a pug willing to take a newb into turn1, Got cad on 2nd try, dps kept getting wiped.
Won the Allagan boots. Still drops my accuracy a bit. So unsure which direction to take this. ungh.

[Ratatapa]

Just found a pug willing to take a newb into turn1, Got cad on 2nd try, dps kept getting wiped.
Won the Allagan boots. Still drops my accuracy a bit. So unsure which direction to take this. ungh.

Just wait till you get valor legs

[Vandole]

Just found a pug willing to take a newb into turn1, Got cad on 2nd try, dps kept getting wiped.
Won the Allagan boots. Still drops my accuracy a bit. So unsure which direction to take this. ungh.

fuck you so much. i've been waiting so long for my booties ;-;

[Tiernin]

So I finally saw some tank drops in Coil. Ring and Legs dropped in T2. I picked earring before run other tank picked legs, lost greed on ring. Other tank ended up with both. Fuck My Life

[Sylvrdragon]

It's been raining Tank gear in coil for me these last 2 weeks. Unfortunately, I've been going as WHM and none of the pieces have slipped through the tanks that I was with. Someday I'll get my PLD out of my Trash Can gear.

[TheGlow]

Just wait till you get valor legs

Very annoying. Everytime I think I have it mapped in my head, I get a drop that flips it.
So far at least I havent gotten a conflicting drop right after paying Myth, but there's always tomorrow for that.

fuck you so much. i've been waiting so long for my booties ;-;

And on Gilgamesh no less.
Abandoned a low lvl roulette on my Monk since the tank GLD kept walking in circles and trying avoid pulling stuff.
Went to try FATEs, checked PF and saw 1 with tank slot open. said why the F not.
I also ended up leaving my current FC that didn't do much yet to join them, as it looks like this was a 2nd coil group they were trying to tweak and put together.
Things may be on the up.