Stats/gear question

[pohibaba]

Do we have any idea how much dps crit-rate has over determination, or vice-versa? In particular I was trying to compare Hero's earring and Allagan earring:

Hero's: Int+13 Det+8 Spell Speed+16
Allagan: Int+13 Crit+16 Spell Speed+11

Also, the combo between AF2 body and head and Allagan body and head:

AF2:
Body: Vit+29 Int+29 Acc+34 SS+24
Head: Vit+18 Int+18 Crit+15 SS+21

Allagan:
Body: Vit+29 Int+29 Det+24 SS+24
Head: Vit+18 Int+18 Acc+15 Det+15

[Howitzer]

Obviously this pertains to melee but that's what I know so maybe it'll help someone else, too.

Basic weapon attack > skillspeed(speed) > attack > crit > precision > determination

Easy to explain, basic weapon attack(the top left stat on weapon windown) makes a huge difference even if it´s just one grade. Skillspeed makes you using your skills more often in the same time and skills animation can even be skipped partly when having enough speed. Attack(bonus stat below the main stats in the weapon/armor window) is not impacting your damage so much and calculates different than basic weapon/physical attack I guess. Crit isn´t that important because it is a luck based stat and it doesn't seem we crit very often anyways- at least me lol. Determination is a very less-recognizable stat as it increases auto-attack damage but slighty.

In your case, I'd go for crit as a caster. The accuracy increase in set gear depends entirely on if you're doing end-game stuff or not. I'd assume the really hard bosses require a higher ACC.

[SephYuyX]

Obviously this pertains to melee but that's what I know so maybe it'll help someone else, too.

Basic weapon attack > skillspeed(speed) > attack > crit > precision > determination

Easy to explain, basic weapon attack(the top left stat on weapon windown) makes a huge difference even if it´s just one grade. Skillspeed makes you using your skills more often in the same time and skills animation can even be skipped partly when having enough speed. Attack(bonus stat below the main stats in the weapon/armor window) is not impacting your damage so much and calculates different than basic weapon/physical attack I guess. Crit isn´t that important because it is a luck based stat and it doesn't seem we crit very often anyways- at least me lol. Determination is a very less-recognizable stat as it increases auto-attack damage but slighty.

In your case, I'd go for crit as a caster. The accuracy increase in set gear depends entirely on if you're doing end-game stuff or not. I'd assume the really hard bosses require a higher ACC.

At least you put some effort in to your second post, compared to most, but most of your information is a little wishywashy.

I think the real question here is what equals what. At what point does one stat equal or beat another?
Unfortunatly I dont have the info to back it up. I havent done any tests, or seen any math (other than determination, where 2Det=1Attribute), that proves this stuff.

At what number of skill speed bests 1 DMG, or increases auto-attack, etc? What tier of ACC is worth losing a few attributes over? Does Det directly alter crit, def, parry, acc too, or just attributes?
This is all stuff I think that still needs to be worked out.

PS. Crit is good.

[Ahmera Mae]

Obviously this pertains to melee but that's what I know so maybe it'll help someone else, too.

Basic weapon attack > skillspeed(speed) > attack > crit > precision > determination

Easy to explain, basic weapon attack(the top left stat on weapon windown) makes a huge difference even if it´s just one grade. Skillspeed makes you using your skills more often in the same time and skills animation can even be skipped partly when having enough speed. Attack(bonus stat below the main stats in the weapon/armor window) is not impacting your damage so much and calculates different than basic weapon/physical attack I guess. Crit isn´t that important because it is a luck based stat and it doesn't seem we crit very often anyways- at least me lol. Determination is a very less-recognizable stat as it increases auto-attack damage but slighty.

In your case, I'd go for crit as a caster. The accuracy increase in set gear depends entirely on if you're doing end-game stuff or not. I'd assume the really hard bosses require a higher ACC.

Whaa... i don't even. Are you serious?
Determination influences both AA and WS - although with different modifiers, ACC is the most important stat until cap (363 pre coil), crit is totally worth getting and skillspeed sucks balls.

Stop posting if you never read any theorycrafting and all your assumptions are based on personal preference.

[Wulfgang]

Run the stats through the AA / WS formulas like I did below. Takes a minute and once you get a spreadsheet up, it's pretty easy to manipulate as you see fit. I just ran 8 DTR vs. 16 crit in my spreadsheet at my stats; CRIT wins handily on WS dmg (by about 0.5 average WS damage).

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps93b669fa.jpg

[bellflower]

Sorry if this doesn't belong here. I wasn't sure if I needed to create a new thread.

Is gear with higher ilevel always going to be better than gear with lower ilevel? I'm a little confused on some of the stats and overall dps, etc.

For example (using brd gear here), darklight legs have 8 more dex than brd af legs but 22 less crit. That seems like a pretty significant crit loss. Would darklight legs still be better?

I was looking at the stat sheets on chocobro, specifically the stat dps value column under the gear tab, but I think that just confused me even more, lol.

[Raldo]

Is gear with higher ilevel always going to be better than gear with lower ilevel? I'm a little confused on some of the stats and overall dps, etc.

If they have the same stats on them, then yes the higher iLvl will always have more of it. The fringe case you run into (which you mentioned) is when a particular stat isn't present at all, then things become a little murky. I don't think anyone's done enough testing on crit rate to tell you what amount of DEX (or anything) would outweigh however much crit.

Note, however, that the difference between Darklight and Bard legs is not just 8 DEX, but 8 DEX and 8DTR (effectively 12 DEX, if the rumors are to be believed).