Random Fail: your words are false

[Spider-Dan]

Agreed with Raldo. Lustrate/Stoneskin are not a difference between WAR and PLD.

Again, once SCH has the ability to "bane" Galvanize, SCH should be healing WAR 100% of the time (as that ability would get a flat 25% buff when spread from Defiance WAR). The only time SCH would be a better healer for WAR than PLD (pre-3.0) is if there was a fight with mechanics that dealt fixed amounts of damage (read: ignores damage reduction), and in such a fight WAR would just be superior, period.

Except if you aren't autistic and playing in the real world, better Lustrates and Stoneskins (you know, the best ways to prevent and heal damage taken) are far more effective on WARs because of their HP. I'm not even saying you can't do it with PLD but it's generally easier and safer to do with a WAR. Especially as a healer. Not to mention all the other reasons to take WAR over PLD as a single tank in Ramuh. Saying Lustrate and Stoneskin aren't reasons to take WAR in a fight where 95% of healing is nerfed to shit is silly.

Feel free to show your work on how Lustrate or Stoneskin gives a benefit to WAR over PLD.

"Random fail" thread exposing a lot of people, indeed.

[Elcura]

Generally not, in most fights I wouldn't say it matters at all. But single tanking Ramuh it's easy as hell to see why people would want WAR for better Lustrate and Stoneskins. I worded it wrong in response to Rata (and you're right that it is what it is) but realistically it's a valid and easy to understand reason.

A WAR tips that fight over the edge in many and ways when it feels like your only method of healing is % based it goes a long way. WAR is still better in that situation overall, but I don't think that is in dispute anymore.

[Spider-Dan]

What do you not understand?

PLD's native damage reduction has the same net effect as WAR's native higher HP. There IS NO ADVANTAGE to WAR having higher HP when using Lustrate or Stoneskin, because PLD makes that smaller amount of HP go farther (via damage reduction). The net outcome is exactly the same, by design.

[Elcura]

Yes, I get that in a perfect world it's all the same in regards with Lustrate and Stoneskin. Mathematically it doesn't matter but in regards to this fight it definitely more comforting which is pretty much my only reason for defiance.

That and being restless.

[Raldo]

I don't even know what to make of your last post, so I'll rewind to this one.

Except if you aren't autistic and playing in the real world, better Lustrates and Stoneskins (you know, the best ways to prevent and heal damage taken) are far more effective on WARs because of their HP.

This? This quote right here? It is false. To be specific, the false part is "far more effective ...", and should read "are functionally identical".

Random fail indeed.

[Ratatapa]

I like this argument just saying

[Spider-Dan]

Well, at least now you know why that guy was insisting on WAR.

Apparently, there is a contingent of players who don't understand the math behind Shield Oath vs. Defiance and think that bigger Lustrate numbers on WAR = better Lustrate.

[kisada]

IB is the shit because the life drain isn't affected by the healing debuff stacks and it still scales fully. it has nothing to do with mitigation.

you know that reason why a couple people here are like "war seems easier but i can't put my finger on why"? that's inner beast keeping the war healed up and taking an enormous amount of pressure off healers.

[Ratatapa]

IB is the shit because the life drain isn't affected by the healing debuff stacks and it still scales fully. it has nothing to do with mitigation.

you know that reason why a couple people here are like "war seems easier but i can't put my finger on why"? that's inner beast keeping the war healed up and taking an enormous amount of pressure off healers.

So tired of the " takes off pressure off healers".

Healers have he easy job, too easy imo. Let them have some pressure for once

[kisada]

that's great and all. but the scope of the discussion is the reasons for why war > pld as a solo tank in that fight.

if i'm not mistaken you are the one who did ask "why?" in the first place.

[Ratatapa]

that's great and all. but the scope of the discussion is the reasons for why war > pld as a solo tank in that fight.

if i'm not mistaken you are the one who did ask "why?" in the first place.

I know and the point stands, there is 0 stress in healing a paladin in this fight

[Taint]

WAR is higher DPS in Defiance vs PLD in Shield Oath, that is the only real reason to bring a WAR over a PLD.

[Spider-Dan]

So tired of the " takes off pressure off healers".

Healers have he easy job, too easy imo. Let them have some pressure for once

Offhand, I'd say healers have the hardest role in Ramuh (such as it is). IIRC, Ramuh has more unavoidable damage than the other primals.

[Ratatapa]

Offhand, I'd say healers have the hardest role in Ramuh (such as it is). IIRC, Ramuh has more unavoidable damage than the other primals.

I'd say the hardest part is reacting fast to people, not suppose to be there and double/triple shock

[Niiro]

IB is the shit because the life drain isn't affected by the healing debuff stacks and it still scales fully. it has nothing to do with mitigation.

you know that reason why a couple people here are like "war seems easier but i can't put my finger on why"? that's inner beast keeping the war healed up and taking an enormous amount of pressure off healers.

I think you're vastly overestimating the value of an 800 HP heal every ~20s or so.

[Grey Jorildyn]

It's true. It's kinda like a gimp Eos heal and it adds up to A LOT of hps over the coure of a long battle. I would say don't underestimate it or discard it as a complete non-factor.

[Vaspinne]

Offhand, I'd say healers have the hardest role in Ramuh (such as it is). IIRC, Ramuh has more unavoidable damage than the other primals.

I tried Ramuh EX a handful of times as DPS and never got the win. Finally went as my Sch and got it. Was much easier and we went with the single tank method.

[Shaano]

First time playing monk today in T11 was here;

Spoiler: show

http://cdn.guildwork.net/albums/imag...1028ad7a30.jpg

Fast forward to 2 a.m. a T11 with mnk slot open pops up and this follows

Spoiler: show

http://cdn.guildwork.net/albums/imag...1028ada0b6.jpg

tl;dr people don't want good dps cause I'm a meanie :c and I have no idea all those who were in party tbh.

[Bigsyke]

They probably kicked you because your hotbar isn't aligned properly.

[Kirbyprime]

It's because you're Rata's rep on Hyperion