Random Fail: your words are false

[Seravi Edalborez]

It's no different from back in the day with the full AF leftside, full DL accessory right side in Titan HM. Some people feel that ilvl "matters". Which is why ilvl weighting by slot should really be a thing by now.

[Spider-Dan]

Weapon is the least efficient upgrade option on an iLVL gain per law spent ratio. That's the logic as I see it; not great logic, but if you're just aiming for 170 to do Alex, you would do ACCs > non-Body/Legs left side > Body/Legs > Weapon.

Incorrect (unless you're talking about PLD). 2H weapons count twice in your iLVL calculation, so a weapon upgrade effectively gives you 2/13 i170 upgrades. At 570 law, that puts a weapon as an equal law-cost-upgrade to head/hands/feet (285 x2), while being more expensive than waist/accessories and less expensive than body/legs. So while you could make an argument for accessories first (if you're trying to game your iLVL), even in that context weapon should always come before any non-waist left side upgrade (as it is equal "cost" but gives better performance).

In the case of PLD, as sword and shield are separated, sword is less cost-efficient but shield is the most cost-efficient (again, only in the context of getting the best iLVL increase per law spent).

Of course, in practical reality your best iLVL increase per law is really determined by your current lowest iLVL item, but that's essentially a different discussion.

[Elcura]

I think what Wulfy meant is the amount of effort it takes to upgrade shit, as opposed to how effective the upgrade is. You're thinking ability-wise, he's saying "how many tomes do I need to upgrade shit"-wise. Not to say that's what he specifically does. If you re-read what he wrote, he's basically just saying "this might be what the doode thought would be the fastest way to raise his ilvl"

Basically you're not reading what he wrote properly.

I'm reading it right, I'm just saying that if your logic is going from weakest to strongest is sound (for whatever reason) I can't take anything seriously lol

Not specifically that he would do that (though I don't care if he does and I don't even care if I implied that he did).

[Vaspinne]

Edit: Why am I even bothering with this?

[Elcura]

You guys are seriously on the verge of being illiterate.

Wulfy isn't saying "THIS IS MORE EFFICIENT SO THAT'S WHY HE'S DOING THIS!!!". He's saying "this random doode probably thought it would be best to upgrade his gear by spending his tomes ASAP on the cheapest shit first". His post isn't at all about what he personally thinks is the best way to gear up, but just what he thinks some random might have thought.

Uhhh.

We know. We disagree anyway, even if you are playing devil's advocate I still laugh and Spider-Dan still thinks it's wrong even on that level. It's the concept more than the person.

If you wanna play devil's advocate cool, but when people are still saying "Yeah that's dumb" even if you try to reason it out there's no reason to get so hung up.

Edit: Why am I even bothering with this?

I dunno, you got caught up in something people had a grasp on thinking they didn't so...?

[Wulfgang]

Incorrect (unless you're talking about PLD). 2H weapons count twice in your iLVL calculation, so a weapon upgrade effectively gives you 2/13 i170 upgrades. At 570 law, that puts a weapon as an equal law-cost-upgrade to head/hands/feet (285 x2), while being more expensive than waist/accessories and less expensive than body/legs. So while you could make an argument for accessories first (if you're trying to game your iLVL), even in that context weapon should always come before any non-waist left side upgrade (as it is equal "cost" but gives better performance).

In the case of PLD, as sword and shield are separated, sword is less cost-efficient but shield is the most cost-efficient (again, only in the context of getting the best iLVL increase per law spent).

Of course, in practical reality your best iLVL increase per law is really determined by your current lowest iLVL item, but that's essentially a different discussion.

You're right on the 2H calc concept. I'm PLD 90% of the time and was basing it on flawed PLD sword/board logic.

I'm reading it right, I'm just saying that if your logic is going from weakest to strongest is sound (for whatever reason) I can't take anything seriously lol

Not specifically that he would do that (though I don't care if he does and I don't even care if I implied that he did).

Relax dog. The original question was "Why would this person upgrade like this without doing weapon first?" I attempted to formulate a logic for that scenario. I made a mistake in the weapon vs. body/legs concept for most classes other than PLD as Dan noted, the concept still holds for ACCs / belt and on the non-body/legs armor slots if said person prizes vanity.

If you wanna play devil's advocate cool, but when people are still saying "Yeah that's dumb" even if you try to reason it out there's no reason to get so hung up.

Dude, when someone does something random/illegal/stupid/horrific/whatever, the first question in everyone's head is "Why did he/she do that?" Even if the reason is stupid, people want to know. Speculation on said motive is enjoyable. You think my speculation is stupid, partially because an underlying assumption was incorrect; I kind of agree, but it seems like a plausible idea in general.

Thanks Vasp; hockey friends 4 life.

[lilbubbles]

[Spider-Dan]

I noticed that too. "seikis"?


"Seeks" should necessarily have two repeating letters, which that engraving does not. I just chalked it up to Olde Englifh.

[Raldo]

Top line says "Knawleche". I don't know if that's old english, but it's definitely not verbatim.

[Ratatapa]

No SS cuz I logged off annoyed but w/e

Took 35min to fill a PF for first floor farm on Alex

Warrior friend ask the other tank to put markers on boss which the other tank ignored.
Friend still put markers while fighting, other tank goes emo and call my friend immature and just stop tanking.
We call him out on him beeing immature, and he answer Wiping is the only way i can leave this shit PT (btw we had both boss up at this time)
We wipe he leaves and the leaving chain starts

I HATE PEOPLE

[Vaspinne]

Thanks Vasp; hockey friends 4 life.

[Korialstrasz]

Top line says "Knawleche". I don't know if that's old english, but it's definitely not verbatim.

I brought up on Reddit when this pic was first posted, to which someone replied

Knauleche is an obsolete, alternative spelling of knowledge. This is from A Concise Etymological Dictionary of the English Language: knowledge; (E.; with Scand. suffix.) Middle English knowledge, knauleche. The suffix -leche is a weakened form of -leke, answering to

The more you know ~~★

[Deadgye]

I was that sch, but on drg. :3 I was in bismark/ravana with a 145 weapon until I got my 160 from dungeons. Bismark didn't want to give me anything and ravana didn't put out until the 9th kill.

My logic was that there's already two(one) better weapons that I'm going to be getting from current content. I'd rather have spent my tomes on stuff that wasn't going to be replaced immediately.

[Vaspinne]

I was that sch, but on drg. :3 I was in bismark/ravana with a 145 weapon until I got my 160 from dungeons. Bismark didn't want to give me anything and ravana didn't put out until the 9th kill.

My logic was that there's already two(one) better weapons that I'm going to be getting from current content. I'd rather have spent my tomes on stuff that wasn't going to be replaced immediately.

I went the opposite direction with my Drg. Had a mediocre lv58 Lance which was like i140~something and immediately saved up enough tomes+seals to get an i180 weapon. Followed that up by getting the i180 body and am now just picking away at the lowest ilvl pieces I have with i170/180 gear until I can hit i170 overall and do Bismarck/Ravana/Alexander.

[Dammerung]

i170 weapon is the best first Law purchase, but it isn't worth using seals on over armor if you have a means to do Ravana.

[Niiro]

I.......I can't.

I just can't.

[lilbubbles]

I wouldn't have noticed as soon had I not seen him bane a single target.

[BadKarma]

Thia is my first encounter worth posting. Context is that Goblin guildhest with the barricades

[Carth]

Was he literally bitching that you were too good of a player?

[Elcura]

I had a similar thing in Dusk Vigil (the tank was a nice guy but lol) where he had an ilvl80 weapon that everyone thought was a glamour and blamed the DPS taking hate on lag. I really do like new people.